Talk:Adam Katz

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See this page got flagged for neutrality

Wikipedia says to remove this neutrality template when any of the following are true: 1. There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved. 2. It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given. 3. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.

Both 2 and 3 seem to be true so I am going to remove the template.

Ballislife1891 (talk) 19:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You only have to read the article when it was added to understand why. It seems better now but reads like a CV. You should have opened the discussion before removing it I think rather than doing it in retrospect. Dom from Paris (talk) 00:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)--[reply]

Okay, thanks. I do sort of see how it still reads a bit like a resume. I've left that template on the page.Ballislife1891 (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just came back to this page and attempted to address the issue of it sounding like a resume. I think it reads much more encyclopedic now, but as you suggested previously, I am opening discussion before removing the "resume" tag. I think it reads neutrally as well, as any description of his career seems relevant information that helps justify notability. Anyway, would like to open discussion towards removing the "resume" tag. Ballislife1891 (talk) 01:33, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is really wrong with this page is that the sources are not in-depth coverage of the subject himself. They mention him in passing or when he talk about one of his clients. The Forbes article is simply a bio of a man who earns a lot of money in a list with other men who earn a lot of money in the same job. It needs more sources. Dom from Paris (talk) 05:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some of them do simply mention him in passing and I included those to establish that those were his clients, but I think you're allowing that to detract from the ones which do mention him more extensively and even call him a well-respected agent. I haven't included all of that info necessarily because I've taken care to remain neutral. I think it's wrong to have the "notability" template up there. He is one of the longest-standing baseball agents and was the agent for Sammy Sosa, for Omar Vizquel, for Ken Caminiti, for Mo Vaughn and he continues to represent tons of players. Many offseasons, he gets listed as one of the important people to watch that offseason. He is a big name in baseball. I'd assume the lack of a feature-length article on him is merely because he may like to be more private in the press, but he is absolutely worthy of a biography. Also, if you think the real issue is the in-depth-ness, then I'd ask if the "resume" complaint can be removed. Ballislife1891 (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

should there be some mention of the whole drug investigation fiasco with hanley? Mikeyhen (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could be. I am trying to see if we can remove the notability template because I think it doesn't make sense to have that on here.Ballislife1891 (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Yeah, he's fairly notable if he has worked with all those guys. Any longer coverage of him? That seems like the question that was raised.Mikeyhen (talk) 17:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I mean he has longer coverage in several of the articles linked. Addison Reed one even includes a quote from the Twins GM saying "Adam Katz did a masterful job in this." The stories about Kenley jansen resigning with the Dodgers all feature him pretty extensively talking about negotiations. Yes, focus is on Kenley and what he wanted, but I don't think that means he is not a notable person. When Aaron Boone was introduced as Yankees manager, he thanked Katz for making it happen and for being there. He is cited in article about Derek Jeter as a source on marketing in baseball who represents many of game's top players. Just feel like it makes sense for him to have a small Wikipedia page.Ballislife1891 (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

okay. yeah i mean I agree he's notable enough and the coverage seems strong enough considering the sheer quantity. Mikeyhen (talk) 19:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you go ahead and remove it? Not sure the guidelines on when they can be removed.Ballislife1891 (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did remove it because i thought it seemed like "consensus" because I see your previous June 19 comment was never addressed, which seems like silent consensus. And I feel like it's legitimate. I messed up though, I didn't document in the edit summary so I'm going to add it back and then remove with an edit summaryMikeyhen (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

actually, wait, do you think you should add that quote from the addison reed story?Mikeyhen (talk) 20:11, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can. Hesitant because of resume complaint, what do you think?Ballislife1891 (talk) 22:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Added some stuff on Reed and also on Katz being early in the agent game and what Tim Raines said in his HOF speech. Hoping this may clear up the notability concern.Ballislife1891 (talk) 22:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That last edit was too promotional so I removed it.Mikeyhen (talk) 01:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]