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A fact from Accrington Stanley, who are they? appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 September 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "Accrington Stanley, Who Are They?" was originally scripted to use Tottenham Hotspur instead of Accrington Stanley?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/September.

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Unsourced assertion. Originally Spurs was used instead of Accrington Stanley

This looks to me like a little joke made by one of Spurs rivals supporter, which doesn't suprise me, they would use this useful, world changing instrument to do something ridiculously petty. The advert would not make sense if it mentioned Spurs. This has now appeared on the front page of Wikipedia and will probably enter folklore. I have removed the offending quote until a proper source or quote from the original advert makers is inserted.

It was already in there, the source was at the end of the sentence but I've restored the quote and placed the source there so that all can tell where it came from. I hardly think it's petty if you've read the source, which is from the BBC, where it explains why. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Rice was the young actor who delivered the line, as a Liverpudlian who now works as a stand up commedian I would take his account with a pinch of salt. Without confirmation by a more reliable source the idea of a product advertising itself with a punchline that would infuriate large numbers of potential customers belongs in the realms of folklore, not Wikipedia. I have removed the offending lines again till this is sorted out and a reliable source is quoted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.249.234.35 (talk) 17:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Rice is an actress? But again, the source was checked by at least 3 people before it was promoted to DYK. If there was a problem, then it wouldn't have got to the front page. If you like, it can be checked at WP:RSN. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its no longer on the front page. I think a compromise would be to put the assertion in quotes with the name and role of the person concerned next to it so people can judge for themselves. Personally, the idea that an advertising agency would even consider insulting and alienating the support of a First Division team marks this out as pure blarney but I am more than happy for people to make their own mind up. At the moment the article gives the impression that the assertion is generally accepted. I am beginning to wonder if this is worth a separate article itself, probably this could be amalgamated with the Accrington Stanley article.

I've made it so the sentence starts out with "According to Rice..." which I think would be a fair compromise as I can't see quoting it would fit in an encyclopedic context and it already mentions Rice earlier. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which Accrington Stanley?

Accrington Stanley F.C. and Accrington Stanley F.C. (1891) are separate articles. I guess it is wiki policy to have separate articles for a phoenix club and its defunct predecessor. This creates a philosophical question -- was Ian Rush referring to the old club or the new? Currently the article links to the former article, ie the one about the current phoenix club.

If ASFC were in fact paid £10K by the producers in 1989 that argues for the current club; likewise the question "who are they" as opposed to "who were they?"

On the other hand, I remember seeing the ad in 1989 and knowing of the defunct club but not that there existed a revival. It's plausible there were more people like me than the converse (people who knew was a current tier 7 club , but not that there had been a league club). The idea of being good enough only to play for a non existent club struck and still strikes me as funnier than being good enough for a non league club.

But most likely is the third option: that the ad people unlike Wikipedia, thought of the two clubs as one; that the reason they picked Accrington Stanley as opposed to a totally defunct club, or a non phoenix non league club, or say perennially bottom of the league Crewe Alexandra, was that 1989 ASFC still had the notoriety of 1962.

Without evidence from the ad execs one can't say for sure. But I don't think it's WP:OR or WP:SYN for this Wikipedia article to mention and wikilink both club articles, given that sources, like the cited BBC article, which mention the milk ad tend also to mention 1962. jnestorius^(talk) 01:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given this was the 80s, I assume they were referring to the current club. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping for a response that engaged more with the points I raised. In particular "I don't think it's WP:OR or WP:SYN for this Wikipedia article to mention and wikilink both club articles". jnestorius^(talk) 11:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]