Talk:Abram (name)

Abram name - it comes from Aramaic and it's Jewish

Hello. In my opinion one thing has to be indicated: Abram is a Jewish name, a Hebrew name and to some extent also an Arabic / African name. Its use among Russians comes from the fact that these Russians have (or had) Jewish or Muslim ancestors (i.e. Roman Abramovich, Yury Abramovich, Abram Gannibal, etc.). As I've said - Abram is not a Russian name. It's a Jewish name which was used in Russia, as well as in Poland, Romania, Ukraine, Serbia, Armenia, Chechnya, as well as many Slavic / Eastern / Southeastern European countries by both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews. Russian language doesnt relate, as this name has its tradition mainly in Jewish, Armenian, Chechen, Arabic, or African (Ethiopian) culture. Why is Russia so indicated then? In my opinion this section should be called "In Slavic countries" and there should also be some sections like "In Ancient Israel", "Among Jews", "Among Africans and African Americans", "Among Armenians, Indians, and Middle Easterners" etc... Only then the article will be reiable. Thanks 159.205.253.233 (talk) 21:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

As it was previously explained to you, no one is questioning the origins of this last name. In fact, this article is lacking the very explanation you went into trouble providing above. This, however, is not an excuse to cut a perfectly valid, well-sourced section dealing with the Russian aspect. No claim is being made that the name is somehow Russian; only an explanation of its use in the Russian language is given. And the reason why the section is not titled "in Slavic countries" is only because the sources used do not cover Slavic countries; they only cover Russia. If the Russian aspect seems overly prominent, it's only because the rest of the article has not yet been written (and you seem like someone who probably could do that, by the way). The only proper way to address your concerns here is by expanding the bulk of the article, not by removing a perfectly good subpiece that's already been written.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2015; 12:01 (UTC)

The problem is, that the sources are only in Russian! @ Ezhiki - in this case I doubt that the sources are reliable, moreover, I doubt that the intention of the person who has put the sources here was neutral and objective. I suspect, that someone wanted the name to appear as Russian instead of having Aramaic Jewish Israelite origin. I will soon delete the Russian sources, because 99% of the English-language Wikipedia users cannot verify the information. The sources appear to be extremely biased to only one fake point of view. 87.205.160.170 (talk) 16:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The sources are in Russian because that's all I had. If you have sources in English, or in other languages, you are more than welcome to expand the article and use those sources as references. "The person who put the sources" is myself, so if you suspect my intentions were not "neutral and objective", I suggest you elaborate on this right here (but do skim through WP:AGF first). If you believe it was my intent to have this name "appear as Russian instead of having Aramaic Jewish Israelite origins", I once again refer you back to my original response, where I explicitly stated that the Russian aspect was covered only because that's what I have sources for. I sure am not going to write about something I have neither knowledge of, sources for, or interest in! Note, however, that I'm in no way arguing the article is now complete; it most definitely needs much more work done. That's no reason to delete what little is already there. The name is used in Russian, so there is no reason to remove that information. Furthermore, the sources I used do meet Wikipedia's definition of reliable; but again, if you disagree, please elaborate why you think they should not be used (use WP:QUESTIONABLE as a checklist). Finally, readers' inability to verify information because the sources are in a language they cannot read is something explicitly OK'd by our guidelines; see WP:NOENG.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 8, 2015; 13:24 (UTC)

Look, this kind of behavior is no longer amusing. It has been explained several times to you that the proper way to address the imbalance you perceive is by expanding the article, not by removing perfectly good information. If you continue with the reverts, it will be treated as disruptive behavior.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2015; 12:13 (UTC)