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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below, and link to dab page added to the article. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Abernethy, Perth and Kinross → Abernethy — Reverse earlier move. All the Abernethies listed at Abernethy (disambiguation) are named after the Perth and Kinross one. A hatnote for the dab pa

ge seems a more reasonable solution. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Support, cleary the primary use of the name by a distance. To moving admin, this page was moved recently from Abernethy to its current location without any discussion, and should require a super majority to stay here, rather than the vice versa. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose--MBRZ48 04:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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It isn't the only "Abernethy". It would be more in context to move it to "Abernethy, Perthshire" as that would be more compatible with what seems to be an overwhelming number of historical references which (like conventional address references in Scotland) are not tied to Council Area names.--MBRZ48 04:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved page

Whilst disambiguating entries in List of United Kingdom locations, I came across a couple of improperly disambiguated entries for places called Abernethy. As part of tidying these up, I ended up moving Abernethy to Abernethy, Perth and Kinross. Only after I'd done this, and fixed a good number of links, did I discover the above discussion. Apologies for not looking first.

I do not propose to revert my own changes. In my defence, I would say that Abernethy is such an unlikely choice for a primary use disambiguation, when well known cities like Boston and San Francisco struggle to make the grade, and pretty well known places like Windsor (as in the House of Windsor) fail. Generally WP only goes for primary use disambiguation on places if the place is globally well known, and I don't really think too many people in the US, China or even France would be able to locate Abernethy on a map.

Incidentally, there is precedence that the fact, that all other Abernethys are named after this one, is not relevant to the decision on what disambiguation model to use. That argument was roundly dismissed in the discussions on Boston (a claim for the Boston in Lincolnshire) and Windsor.

If you must move it back, then please go ahead and request a move. I reserve the right to oppose. -- Chris j wood 17:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be more inclined to consider your ambiguation of Abernethy with a kindly eye if, as well as having fixed at the time, you continued to keep an eye on the links to Abernethy. I tend to rate utility and convenience first and foremost: readers have to wander aimlessly through dab pages and/or hat notes however things are named, which leaves the convience of editing. If Abernethy collects too many misdirected links, I shall be sorely tempted to move this back: see also Kerry, and quite possibly Clare too. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Isn't there a biscuit called an Abernethy? Often referred to as a Scots Abernethy. Are they from this town?

217.205.224.155 (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Anti-Gaelic Bias

Looks like an anti-Gaelic bigot has got hold of this article. There is plenty of evidence of Gaelic place names around Abernethy although it isn't one itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:141A:D3D1:1:1:5869:2C8 (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non Sequitur

"In the 12th century the bishop's seat was moved to Muthill, then Dunblane, so that Abernethy, no longer being a residential bishopric is today listed by the Catholic Church as a titular see.[4][5]" Do we not have better evidence (citations) for the claimed move of the bishop's seat to Muthill than a couple of Catholic references to titular sees?  And there really is no "so that" linking the claimed move of a bishopric in the 12th century from Abernethy to Muthill to a centuries-later choice by the Catholic church to name one of its titular bishops. Obviously they could equally have chosen Muthill, but they didn't - so it doesn't follow (i.e. it's a non sequitur) to link the two events. ShropshirePilgrim (talk) 17:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]