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A fact from A House in Jerusalem appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem is inspired by the history of the director's Palestinian family, who were expelled in 1948 from what had become Israel during the Nakba?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/A House in Jerusalem.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 10:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem tells the story of a British-Jewish child who encounters the ghost of a Palestinian girl in the house where she used to live until 1948?~~

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/6/12/a-house-in-jerusalem-and-the-memory-of-the-nakba https://www.broadcastprome.com/news/netflix-releases-palestinian-film-a-house-in-jerusalem/

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Palestinian right of armed resistance

Created by Makeandtoss (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Makeandtoss (talk) 11:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Not a full review, but as the subject is a work of fiction, a new hook will need to be proposed per WP:DYKFICTION. Essentially, hooks about fictional plots alone aren't allowed on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for pointing out this guideline.

ALT1 ... that the director of the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem, Muayad Alayan, is a Palestinian whose family was expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not too fond of the hook as it seems to be more about the director than the movie itself, but will let a different editor decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that hook is fine. The first hook wasn't, per WP:DYKFICTION. The film features the Nakba and its significant that the director himself was a victim of the same event. I can do the rest of the review shortly.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New, not a stub. The film's reception section does include both positive and negative reviews. Earwig gives "Violation unlikely 23.1%." There's no citation for the althook, but in the article it appears and is cited to this source. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: and @Makeandtoss: any further comments? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope all good. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Came to promote this, but I agree with Narutolovehinata5's concern about Alt1's lack of focus; see WP:DYKINT, third paragraph. Another angle should be taken. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then one of these two alts should be good @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: @Vice regent: @Narutolovehinata5::

ALT2 ... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem is inspired by the history of the director's Palestinian family, who were expelled from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948?

ALT3 ... that the Netflix-released film A House in Jerusalem touches on the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight from what had become Israel during the Nakba in 1948? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of questions: 1) How do we know that the reviews/reactions to the film are NPOV? Have other editors in addition to the prinicpal author of the article done a survey of the reactions? 2) What were the circumstances of the family's flight? Were they "expelled" or did they "flee"? The article and this nomination do not agree. Either word needs to be clarified as to the circumstances of this family and this event. SPECIFICO talk 13:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1)I did a quick google search and found several more reviews (guardian:[1][2], leftlion:[3], Church Times:[4]). The reviews are mixed, leaning positive, but with some criticism, like the movie feels slow and "languid", that the plot is convincing but does one plot hole. It would be good to integrate that into the article, but I want to caution we are not judging WP:GA status here and DYK entries are allowed to be incomplete.

2) The source says "Alayan knows Jerusalem’s tragedy well. He describes how both sides of his family were forced from the city during the Nakba." So the hook checks out.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable source was provided regarding the family's circumstances as mentioned by VR above. As for the reviews section, anyone is welcome to edit the section and expand it, but that bears no weight on this hook nomination. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've struck the problematic hooks. Under the circumstances, another editor should give this a fresh review. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Makeandtoss: The article does not spell out that the film was inspired by the director's history and ALT3 violates WP:DYKFICTION.--Laun chba ller 20:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: You are right about ALT2; I have just added that sentence to the article cited to the MEE source. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:38, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 09:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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