Talk:ASMR/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

cross-cultural aspects

Glad to see an article about ASMR. Hope it can become more complete over time. Please add info when available about cross-cultural aspects; current contents seem US-centric. Frequency of occurrence in various populations? Can be learned? Tendency to be hereditary or otherwise spread between people? Any negative aspects?-71.174.178.218 (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I realize that this is just a content suggestion and there's nothing wrong with that, but do you have any recommendations for finding reliable sources that discuss these topics? I feel like it would be very difficult to find this kind of information. -- Fyrael (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Especially since it's an entirely made up phenomenon 178.167.254.207 (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

"Academic Thesis" Section

I am deleting the entire contents of the subsection "Academic Thesis." It outlines an unpublished thesis written by an undergraduate. The thesis is not peer reviewed, nor is the author of the thesis noteworthy. Unpublished undergraduate work certainly does not merit inclusion in an encyclopedia--besides the fact that this section was almost certainly written by the author of that thesis.2601:98A:4001:65E9:9142:875C:C2BC:6A1 (talk) 13:58, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

I love to find a WP page that makes me laugh. Non-science or maybe-science-maybe-silly is a worthwhile category!Katewill (talk) 01:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad it made you laugh :P If you'd like to tag it as that, be my guest! I firmly believe there is a science behind it, but unfortunately it's just not there yet...at least not in published science. I went with what there was to go with-a few silly news articles written in the UK; they were actually really humorous. But you've got to start somewhere I suppose. This is what I intended to do with the topic, but at the end of the day these are only theories and not concensus =/ http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:DevonJamesKing/sandbox DevonJamesKing (talk) 06:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I never knew others experienced it or there was a name for it. Very grateful for this article. 24.14.52.8 (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's incredibly rude and ignorant. To not believe in something with strong anecdotal evidence but scientifically unproven is one thing, but to brush it off as silly is condescending and an insult to those of us who actually experience this. Between this and the assertion by higher ups on this site that ASMR is some sort of elaborate hoax that the internet at large is conjuring up, I wonder why anyone even bothers making an article on this. We ASMR folk certainly have nothing to prove to anyone and should just let people wallow in their self-imposed ignorance, in my opinion. Not a forum, I know, but people really should stick to adding something constructive to the topic and keep their backhanded comments to themselves. Though it's only a matter of time before some self-righteous Wikiloser with an agenda comes along to try and trash this iteration of the article too. 68.119.62.40 (talk) 05:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, you're a crybaby dipshit. Anecdotal "evidence" isn't evidence, and neither is a burgeoning "scene" on some social media web site. Mushrooms burgeon, and their source is what? Total shit. "[T]hose of [you] who actually experience this" will have to do better than 'Waah, a bunch of people including me claim to experience this, so stop oppressing our freedom to be taken seriously on the basis of unvalidated self-reports probably propped up by the bandwagon fallacy and confirmation bias'. Until there's robust scientific research on the topic, ASRM is no less silly than talking snakes and body thetans, so stop acting so emotionally traumatized when people see no good reason to take it seriously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.8.84 (talk) 06:30, April 10, 2013

Piss off. I've never even heard of this before now, yet I've experienced it. Tell me, what evidence does science have that dreams exist, other than people claiming that they ave experienced them? That's just "anecdotal evidence" though, ought to be discounted, right? What machine does science have that allows them to measure and verify the existence of dreams? Brain wave scans are not proof of dreams, after all. Hell, how does one prove that pain exists? All we have is what people tell us...which is true of all psychology as well.AnnaGoFast (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Notably, independent of personal, subjective beliefs on the validity of the topic, there is an article on "thetans" as well. 96.39.69.163 (talk) 17:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

It's definitely real. And it feels amazing. Honestly who cares what those who lack the ability think because it's an amazing gift for those of us who can experience. It's better than opiates!71.92.81.27 (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Realistically, that's a very silly comparison and you're somewhat embarrassing yourself. Though the term ASMR is certainly a pseudo-scientific term, but it's people reporting experiencing a sensation which is in no way as difficult to believe of a claim as talking snakes or thetans. Additionally, as I experience it myself I'm more than confident that neurological data could be retrieved via an EEG and/or fMRI confirming the existence of it which is the general scientific method. Presented with the hypothesis "ASMR is a real sensation," the next course of action is to gather evidence, not dismiss it as a hoax. If I took a branding iron, heated it to red hot and started burning it with you should I believe you that it causes pain or should I dismiss it as "anecdotal evidence?" The article appears to be properly cited for the most part and does not contain original research. As someone who is very firmly atheistic and who has multiple bookshelves full of anatomy, neurology, and physiology textbooks which I do read, I not only very much get this sensation from many of the stimuli presented by the ASMR community, I find it to be one of the most pleasurable sensations next to sex. Please attempt to approach objectively cited articles with less juvenile bias in the future. I believe the article is quite clear that there has been no serious known neurological research into this subject, though I would bet a good $50 that the CIA probably played around with it during the MKULTRA years. One reason I, personally, have an immense interest in it is that this quack was one of the first videos I encountered that made me get this sensation multiple times in a row, which was before I knew there were videos out there dedicated to eliciting the response and that it had been termed ASMR. I'm disturbed that people engaged in medical fraud can entrance me with this sensation because you have to know enough science to know it's medical fraud despite the pleasing sensation his voice causes in your brain. I.E. it's a response that can be elicited in some people which can be used to take advantage of them by creating a fraudulent sense of trust in the target - which is why it deserves legitimate scientific attention. The sensation only comes about when you have a sense of trust with the individual eliciting it. There is no fraud in the ASMR community because they're telling you they're tricking you to elicit this feeling, but it can be abused in situations where there is no such implied "contract" between the performer and the audience. Bloomingdedalus (talk) 02:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry. The last time this article was proposed for deletion, there weren't enough coverage outside ASMRers themselves. With the spread of the term, there have been enough coverage from outside sources, so in theory, it should no longer be a problem. But just keep in mind that calling another user "ignorant" or "a self-righteous Wikiloser" may also be regarded as a rude comment itself. --朝彦 (Asahiko) (talk) 12:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

And I'll remind everyone here to maintain civility, no matter your opinion on the subject. — Huntster (t @ c) 07:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok I'll just settle for 'Wikitard' then. This is real, I experience it almost daily. The ASMR 'scene' on Youtube is enormous now. I agree the acronym is silly, its just a placeholder. It will be down to the Neurophysicists to explain what this is. Among my own friends at the moment I'm trying to find out who does and doesn't experience this - its so hard to identify except to people who already do experience it. 118.209.125.245 (talk) 08:54, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

It is a real phenomena in as much as people such as myself do experience it. Yes it is relative to individuals so it would be hard to scientifically test.50.123.1.153 (talk) 21:31, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Even if it wasn't real, it has a large following, there are PLENTY of Wikipedia articles on pseudo-scientific things with less of a cultural presence. Proponents of deletion seem to have an odd vendetta going. Looking up something like ASMR because you don't know what it's all about is a perfect example of Wikipedia's intended usage, regardless of anyone's acceptance of it as science. 23.240.131.64 (talk) 07:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

As a science-educated individual who takes a dim view of New Age and other quasi-spiritualism, let me state categorically that I experience ASMR and have since I was a child. I tried a few times when I was younger to discuss it with others, assuming that everyone had this capacity, only to be greeted sometimes with a stare. Last year I heard a segment on ASMR on "This American Life" and immediately knew what they were talking about. (That's where I learned the term "ASMR".) I looked up a few of the videos they mentioned, and sure enough, that's that thing I've felt, when conditions are just so, all my life. The statement, "Until there's robust scientific research on the topic, ASRM (sic) is no less silly than talking snakes and body thetans", is a gross abuse of Aristotlian reasoning. Research doesn't prove or disprove that anything exists; things exist independently of research. I understand that those who don't experience ASMR can't personally grasp what it is, just as colour-blind individuals can't grasp colour. Science eventually explained (but did not prove) the phenomenon of daltonism, as it will eventually explain why some of us experience ASMR.

As to the value of anecdotal evidence, again this poster is ignorant of science. Anecdotal evidence is not the opposite of science, it's the foundation of science. You start with random data and try to impose order on it. (Sort it by perceived category, control variables, eliminate examples that can be explained by known cause, exclude outlying data, record simultaneous phenomena, etc.) The fact that so many of us report ASMR responses, and that there are now literally thousands of YouTube videos meant to prompt them, and in fact a 24-hour online ASMR radio station, is powerful evidence that something real is happening. Something that non-ASMR-experiencing individuals will one day be able to verify second-hand via ancillary data (what this poster would call "proof".)

I realise it's cool to be sarcastic and call yourself a "sceptic", but neither of those conceits have any place in science. A scientist either has corroborating evidence of a given claim, or his research is inconclusive (and may remain so forever). As for ASMR, the sample population is so huge and varied that any real scientist must conclude that a physiological explanation will soon be forthcoming. Laodah (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree this article is ridiculous. I also think the article on tickling is ridiculous. People who claim to be "ticklish" are obviously lying. I have had people try to tickle me and it didn't work, so it's garbage psuedo-science. Also the idea of emotions is garbage, since they can't be tested. Same with thoughts. And consciousness. Purely subjective claptrap. I'm glad we've sorted that. Rotundo (talk) 09:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm a skeptical person by nature, but this is such a bland claim I don't see any particular need to doubt it more so than some saying they prefer Billy Joel to Elton John. Rotundo (talk) 09:21, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

This word was overused: "experience". OVERUSED 34 times. I claim this idiotic overuse - which began ~2000-2006 - occurred via 80% humans on planet Earth who are so intellectually inferior they should consider the Circus as alternate form of employment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.184.66.231 (talk) 09:28, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Broken links

Reference Section: I clicked Reference #126 but links to ASMR Report not working. Getting "server DNS address not be found". I found the primary source mentioned in the reference here: Suggestion to change broken link to primary source link.

External Links section: Link to "The ASMR Report" is also broken.

External Links section: Suggest adding Very informative site, found a lot of helpful content, see some below.

Origin of Name section: Suggest adding link to a recent interview with Jennifer Allen in which she fully explains why she named it ASMR,

Graduate Theses section: This section requested citation for Bryson Lochte explaining his research, suggest adding this link but may need to change quote: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tensteer (talk • contribs) 16:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I've fixed the dead links—thanks for pointing those out. You're welcome to be bold and make the other changes yourself! —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

References

External Links section: The link to "ASMRbar.com" gives an Error 526, Invalid SSL Certificate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.16.197.157 (talk) 01:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

On the skin

The article calls the sensation "a static-like or tingling sensation on the skin" when most of the old names of ASMR (head orgasm for example) made it clear that it was mainly a sensation inside the head. The sensation starts inside the head, then can spread to the scalp, skin, back, etc... —Clement 05:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:dd81:ee00:15e:5715:d1ea:4f7d (talk) 07:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello! Question regarding editing this..... big question.

Might I be allowed to do a HUGE.... actually complete, overhaul of the entire article with much more depth and detail? Is there someway to create my new version of the article elsewhere.... for review by others here before I just replace it here and hope for the best? Sinsearach (talk) 12:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you could create it in your userspace—for instance, at User:Sinsearach/sandbox or User:Sinsearach/Autonomous sensory meridian response. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sinsearach, I was considering the same thing and that is my typical way of working on a full overhaul. if you've begun work on it already please let me know. You may want the help and I don't want to get going on it if it's currently happening. Rap Chart Mike (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Petitions to censor child-aged ASMR producers (paedophelia)

There are some petitions going around to censor child-aged ASMR producers because of the sexual nature of the content, because that would be classified pedophelia. I'm having some difficulty finding reputable articles about it because there aren't reputable articles about ASMR itself... what do people think? Should we include these petitions, or even a separate Wikipedia page about it? 2001:8003:6A23:2C00:B94A:C551:FE53:BED8 (talk) 09:21, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

2001:8003:6A23:2C00:B94A:C551:FE53:BED8 No i wouldent put anything about that because when people make the claim they base it off that ASMR is purely sexual which it is not. There are people out there that make sexual ASMR videos but the majority community isn't related to anything sexual. So even if a child does make a ASMR video its the person's thinking that make's it sexual unless the video is obviously sexual then it should be taken down but normal vids are not sexual. If you perceive ASMR as sexual that's not the creators problem that's how your thinking of it as that. There are obivously terrible people on the internet who could try to take advantage of someone but that has nothing to do with the facts that ASMR is a real think and most of the time isn't sexual but of course with any type of media there is gonna be some people who make those kinds of vids. What you want is like going on the wiki page for books and having a whole section about how books can be sexual. Any type of media can be made or percived as sexual and it will happen to any type of media eventually. These are basically just baseless opinoins that dont belong on a wiki article but belong in a forum where you can talk about your view with someone else. AntManSC (talk) 07:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Allen

Who is Allen? The article references this person frequently without introducing who they are or why they have/had the authority or expertise to define and name this concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.235.216 (talk) 13:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

To me, the article makes it pretty clear she's a member of the aforementioned community, and came up with the name. — JöG (talk) 21:24, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2018

Brain Orgasm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.152.5.245 (talk) 13:50, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

What? TheAwesomeHwyh (talk) 03:35, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

ok to remove clarify tag?

So I did edit changing a paragraph and was really tempted to removed the associated clarify tag, since I replaced statement on merdian (that warranted the clarify tag) with direct quote. Is it ok to remove the clarify tag at the end of that paragraph? --EarthFurst (talk) 07:43, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I went ahead and did so. I also linked to a Dictionary.com entry which specifically uses this definition, and which attributes it to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary. — Huntster (t @ c) 10:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Nonsense Article, Call for Deletion

Entire article is nonsense, without sources or references that are viable from ordinary media, appears to be a joke/meme intended to get a nonsense and pseudoscience, hearsay based subject placed on Wikipedia. Should be removed. It belongs on other types of websites, not Wikipedia. --RM, March 31, 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radical Mallard (talk • contribs) 04:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I completely agree. You can't create encyclopedia articles about any fad that comes along, much less youtube and facebook memes. It's ridiculous. OF COURSE it's nice to have pretty girls whisper sweet things --- we new that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:ced5:cb40:344c:486f:d041:2272 (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Do you have proof ASMR is a hoax intended to "Get a nonsense and pseudoscience, hearsay subject placed on Wikipedia." Because that is quite the accusation and quite frankly sounds a whole lot of hearsay coming from yourself and other Wikipedians that are genuinely obsessed with deleting articles related to subculture in general. Come back with some evidence and maybe the consensus will change ~~ep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.217.163.207 (talk) 11:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Subculture, by definition, is not encylopedic. The burden of proof is on the protaganist, you can't flip it onto the antagonist, otherwise ANY article is valid!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:ced5:cb40:344c:486f:d041:2272 (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

If you believe that, then you really have no idea what Wikipedia is all about. Anything can be encyclopedic, and we're going to cover it if the concept can be verified, regardless of whether it has a basis in reality. Take RF resonant cavity thruster (EM drive) for example...folks claim it is real, and there's some tangential evidence that *something* is going on, but no one has any proof that it works or how it works. Still, we cover it. — Huntster (t @ c) 08:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

OP: I won't comment on the rest of your statements, but as someone who experiences this, I can assure you this is no joke or meme. — Huntster (t @ c) 11:45, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

RM, I assure you this is real. I assumed that everybody experiences that, but it turns out this is not the case. I hadn't a name for this until now and I am glad there is a page about that in Wikipedia. It should stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.206.165 (talk) 14:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

No offence, but “I can assure you”, even if typed by multiple users, is a fairly weak argument. However, some phenomena just need some time until they are found to be real or pathological science (such as N rays or Polywater).--Kernpanik (talk) 21:13, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

RM, I'm having one right now as I type. I assure you they are real. I'm 52 years old and I've had them since I was in single digits. Tingling at top of head, accompanied by waves of a very nice sensation all the way down to my ankles. Non-sexual. Sort of puts me into a mellow "trance." Not mentally, but emotionally. That part is a bit difficult to describe. A very wonderful, pleasant experience. No bad side effects. I've always wondered what this was, but only recently searched about it on the web and happily discovered others experience it too. The main trigger for me is usually fascination with some new topic or other. If you think this is a joke, you're just fooling yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.202.135 (talk) 18:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

This subject was reported on NPR's This American Life. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/491/tribes?act=2. Not sure if anybody can use this in the WP article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.216.74.168 (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It's already been included in the article :) — Huntster (t @ c) 19:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, infrequent contributor to neuroscience, immunology, and physiology articles. ASMR drives me nuts with tingles. I just sent $20 to a random person on the internet who makes the videos because they're so pleasurable. Nobody is hoaxing anyone and do you really think there'd be that many people out there flocking in the hundreds of thousands to watch these videos just because they're trying to play a game with you? Tough luck that you can't feel it though, it's the 2nd most pleasurable sensory experience to sex imo. Bloomingdedalus (talk) 01:58, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

The fact that you just spent $20 to hear someone whisper to you on a computer doesn't give any credence to it at all. It's a little creepy to be honest. 107.199.113.209 (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, even a pseudoscience or hoax can merit a Wikipedia article; sometimes, the buzz or reaction to it can become the story. Having experienced the described sensation myself, I personally know it's no hoax (but can't prove it to Wikipedia's standards). But as the article currently states, science has not yet come up with a satisfactory explanation for the phenomenon. As it is now, it makes sense that the article focuses on the (verifiable) Internet buzz surrounding the phenomenon, while noting that scientific tests have remained inconclusive. Once we have scientific findings on the phenomenon to cite, we can change the focus of the article to the phenomenon itself. (Incidentally, I'd hope that scientists come up with a real name for it, so we can ditch the sciencey-sounding psychobabble term "ASMR." I'm at a loss trying to figure out how the coiner decided that "meridian" was a synonym for "orgasm"...) --Fran Rogers (talk) 05:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd guess instead that "meridian response" was a synonym for "orgasm", but know too little of meridian and orgasms to be sure. The word 'Meridian' does not occur in Wikipedia's Orgasm article. Google suggests it is a word from the fringe medicine field, meaning 'energy pathway', where 'energy' is meant not physically (Joules) but in the Qi sense of acupuncture etc. It's all rather vague and unscientific. IMO.--195.137.93.171 (talk) 03:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Who are these people that revert everything you submit?! So frustrating. I submitted that one can feel this tingly rush or flood of endorphins from the cranium down the spine upon seeing a crush or celebrity. Vid2vid (talk) 20:32, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest that this Talk section be moved from it's pole position as it is now obsolete as ASMR is a definite thing requiring a Wiki entry, just like homosexuality, homophobia, belief, tickling, itch and phobia. Just because you can't experience it and because it can't be seen or touched doesn't mean it doesn't exist or make it invalid. The ASMR Research Project has had over 25,000 participants responding to it's survey on ASMR. Youtube ASMR specialist video makers are making a living full-time from producing these niche videos to satisfy the (non-sexual) demands of ASMR-able people. Andrew ranfurly (talk) 22:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew ranfurly: Please see WP:TPG. Generally we don't delete talk page sections simply because they are obsolete, because they still serve as a record of past consensus. Older talk page entries can be archived, if necessary, and this page already has such an archive. This talk page section was started in 2013, and by contributing to it, we are extending its "lifespan" such that the automated script which archives posts will now treat it as current. Incidentally, I would also recommend not adding ref tags to talk pages unless necessary, but if you are not sure if these links meet WP:RS, you could start a new talk section proposing how to include them in the article itself. Grayfell (talk) 22:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for this response. I can see you are quite correct in all of your comments and I blush at my errors. When I turned to this TP and saw the first entry as 'Nonsense Article, Call for Deletion' I felt a strong urge to respond (and to back my remarks up with refs was a reflex). Andrew ranfurly (talk) 22:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

No prob, I've done the same thing. Wikipedia has been running for almost twenty years, and it really shows its age on the talk pages. I think the reason this section wasn't already archived was due to technical issues with the signatures. I've hopefully fixed that, but we'll see. Grayfell (talk) 23:01, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

The entire article is so poorly researched and so poorly written that it should be reduced to a stub and locked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.11.42 (talk) 12:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

more recent study: https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/asmr-health-psychological-benefits-1.787541, should this be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.32.44.85 (talk) 06:45, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

ok to remove original research and synthesis tag

there are references. it verifiably mentions and pertains to the topic. its a bs tag and i'm gonna remove it since no one is talking about it and its plainly wrong.

same with original research. tag or delete the specific places claimed to be original research. i see plenty of references. again, no one is even talking about it -- silent consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.59.140.57 (talk) 21:49, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

It's real

I know what this is article is referring to. It's real. When I watch product reviews on Youtube where someone is crumpling plastic bags or packaging. 108.200.234.93 (talk) 06:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Weird tags when searching in ecosia

When searching for ASMR in the search engine Ecosia, weird tags show up: "yeah you like that little bitch". These tags are not in the article itself. Does anyone know how to remove this? K2AA72 (talk) 17:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)K2AA72

That from a previous vandalized version. It should go away once Ecosia refreshes their listing for the Wikipedia entry. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:26, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Look at the number and popularity of Channels/videos on youtube devoted exclusively to this.

Then tell me it isnt real. Seriously. 2600:6C54:4400:C76:3DF6:E55C:F0D:FE59 (talk) 08:57, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Sexuality

I think this section needs improvement. There seems to be subgenre "erotic ASMR". It is quite hard to explain without some people having connection between ASMR and sexuality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.35.152 (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Certainly there should be some expansion, or clarification at the very least. "Erotic ASMR" is where, I believe, the term "ASMRotica" originated. Perhaps some mention should be made about what some people call "uncommanded orgasms" or "wet dreams." There might be a correlation somewhere. This subject might have more to do with frisson, however. Erzahler (talk) 08:54, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Direct quote

@Esowteric and Zackomode: Who is this a direct quote by? It's not in quotation marks or cited. Esowteric, please explain. This is reference to this revert: [1]. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 19:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Naddruf: Here's the block quote: <blockquote>His hands changing the lenses again, fingers on my chin, on my temples, slow and soft, yes, a soft sensation, a wave rising along with my skull, shrinking my scalp… a process of head-shrinking… my head, my brain, his fingers, letters… the absolute calm of the process (…) A soft, regular motion, something unbroken, which goes on, swinging, sleepy, to and fro, rocking… When I was little, at school, the teacher’s voice, creeping to the very top of my skull, my limp hands…<ref>Marie Darrieussecq, ''A Brief Stay with the Living'', Faber and Faber, 2003, translation by Ian Monk. ''Bref séjour chez les vivants'', POL, 2001</ref></blockquote>

"a wave rising along my skull" was changed to "a wave rising along with my skull", so I reverted Zackomode's edit. Here (and in numerous other edits by this new user), the meaning of the text has also been detrimentally changed. Esowteric+Talk 20:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Got it, sorry. I was confused about something else. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 21:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Improving article

I think this article could be improved. Why is there no description of the physiology of the ASMR response ? I also think there is too much emphasis on media dedicated to triggering ASMR (ex: youtube), which is currently referred to in 15 different places all over the article. The article should focus primarily on the psychophysiological aspects. I suggest moving the ASMR video references under a "Media & cultural aspects" section, perhaps. 198.84.252.4 (talk) 11:32, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

The physical response is described in the very first sentence and then has a whole section about it, with a link to even more information. If you have more information though, please don't be shy about adding it yourself, with reliable sources included. -- Fyrael (talk) 21:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

No. Both the first sentence and the section you refer to describe the subjective experience (sensation). What I suggested was to describe the "physiology of the ASMR response", ie, the physiological mechanisms which are elicited by ASMR triggers and those which lead to the sensations experienced.198.84.252.4 (talk) 22:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Fix quote from Peer-reviewed articles section

Under the Scientific research and commentary -> Peer-reviewed articles section, there is this quote:

"describe the sensations associated with ASMR, explore how it is typically induced incapable individuals..."

It should read (in capable not incapable)

"describe the sensations associated with ASMR, explore how it is typically induced in capable individuals...

The original source does not contain this error: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4380153/

 Done Danski454 (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

References of ASMR in media

I would like to see more detail and research put into instances where ASMR is used in media, as anything that becomes culturally relevant enough will ultimately lead to science researching it and conclusively determining it's veracity. (This is even mentioned elsewhere using synesthesia as an example, where it was not considered real and then magically was popularized and researched and is now accepted.) I do not personally know of all of the instances where ASMR is used in media but I am aware of more than what is listed. One primary example is the new Will & Grace that has Demi Lovato as a character and she actually does ASMR live, and in the episode where we see this Karen and Jack are fighting while contributing to her ASMR session. This is only one example but also pulls in cultural icons and fairly famous and long-spanning TV shows and characters. I am sure that many other long-spanning shows (Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.) have at least parodies of ASMR, which again underscores how culturally significant this phenomenon has become, and I think referencing these will benefit us by giving more examples for people to seek out and find and putting more emphasis on the frequency of this novel concept in our society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziggaway (talk • contribs) 17:44, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Discovered when? By whom?

There's no mention of the history of research and gaining of knowledge over time. This seems like a newly identified phenomenon. Who identified it first? And when did they do so? 2.31.164.0 (talk) 23:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

The effect is known from antiquity, but it appeared on the internet as ASMR in 2011. 107.242.121.2 (talk) 05:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

HEATHER FEATHER

was the very first content creator of ASMR on YouTube. She started a huge community of ASMR streamers and artists so her name deserves a mention. 2A00:23C7:F684:3D01:98B:D7BC:5CF6:9F0E (talk) 03:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

ASMR videos on YouTube predate her channel by several years.LordApofisu (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Drink Video

For me, I don't find the drink video a good example of ASMR. For me it is really grating, rather than pleasurable. I mean, "spilling", "out of focus", "camera shaking", and "slurping" are ALL super cringy for me, and cause me stress rather than comfort. I can't be the only one? There are a million other, better, YouTube, open source, ASMR examples than this. SquashEngineer (talk) 12:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I added the video to the article, but I'm not attached to it and would be happy to upload a different one. Can you suggest a more representative video that's suitably licensed for Commons? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 08:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)