Talk:ALS/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Argenti Aertheri (talk · contribs) 08:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review

Last updated at 2023-08-28 22:13:15 by Argenti Aertheri

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Overall:

Comments:

Quick review:

• "Classic ALS involves neurons in the brain and spinal cord (upper motor neurons, highlighted magenta), as well as the lower motor neurons, which go from the spinal cord to the muscles, highlighted teal." - That's not magenta, it's more of a burgundy, or just call it red.
• The copyvio alert appears to be a false positive due to backwards copying. That would have been too easy! The original version of this was pretty much a direct copy of a public domain source, I've added the appropriate citation.

Final review:

• I've done some very basic typo/grammer fixes and tagged a lot of places citations are needed. I'm sorry if the number of {{medical citation needed}} seems excessive, but medical articles have pretty high citation requirements.
• "Cognitive and behavioral issues are associated with poorer prognosis as they may reduce adherence to medical advice, as well as increased caregiver burden due to deficits in empathy and social cognition." - Whose deficits in empathy? Maybe "...medical advice, and deficits in empathy and social cognition may increase caregiver burden." or something similar?
• "More than 40 genes have been associated with familial ALS, of which four account for nearly half of cases, and around 5% of sporadic cases" - I can't work out the numbers here. Four genes account for half of all cases, from all causes, but only 5% of sporadic cases? Or half of non-sporadic cases? Considering how much more common sporadic cases are those could mean very different things.
• "About 90% of people with ALS die peacefully." - That's a judgment call and thus needs to either be a direct quote, or reworded to drop the "die peacefully" euphemism.
• The "Comparison of Kings and MiToS ALS staging systems and prognosis at each stage" table is quite difficult to follow since the two are so different, maybe split the table into two or add row-span sub-headings? I'll draft up both in my sandox.

@PaulWicks: I'm going to put this on hold until oh, how's next monday sound? Ping me if you want me to take a look before then, or need help with anything! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 10:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the fast and thorough review!

• Magenta -> Red (this was because of a usability guideline I read somewhere)
• Citations added throughout
• Cognition sentence tweaked
• Genetics of ALS - Changed to "More than 40 genes have been associated with ALS, of which four account for nearly half of familial cases, and around 5% of sporadic cases".
• Dying peacefully - I didn't write that bit, the reference is in French and I don't have access, so striking for now, added a little more detail on dying later on.
• Yes thanks for that good idea, implemented.

Cheers! PaulWicks (talk) 21:10, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Wow, I did not expect you to find all those citations that quickly! I went ahead and did some quick formatting fixes, but I need one more thing clarified before it's ready for GA. "as well as a 35%+50% reduction in the putative ALS biomarker neurofilament light chain" I had read that as 35%±50%, but that doesn't actually make sense, so is it supposed to be 35%-50%? ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 23:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

In an attempt to just fix this myself I checked the cited source and it doesn't mention Tofersen/Qalsody, or even just antisense oligonucleotides. I'm guessing you linked to the wrong article. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 09:57, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I've been an ALS nerd for a while and the Wikipedia Library is incredibly helpful in getting full access to papers rapidly =)

Oops my bad(s) - I had thought you wanted a reference to confirm that NFL was a putative biomarker of neuronal damage. I don't *think* I wrote the 35-50% piece, the trial itself published in the NEJM (now cited properly) looked at different subgroups like fast progressors and reported out the between-group differences for treated and placebo groups. Because of the complexity I've taken out a specific % as it would be too hard to explain in brief here. PaulWicks (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks good, congrats! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 22:12, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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