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Service History

The Service History somehow lists the Korean War despite the bullpup entering service in the late '50s. 209.244.31.35 (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it say that? All I can find on Korea is "It was developed as a result of experiences in the Korean War". Bjelleklang - talk 22:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The offending material was removed prior to your post.--172.129.96.180 (talk) 06:17, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm

"The Bullpup was the first mass-produced air-surface command guided missile"

This statement is clearly wrong.

1400 Fritz X were built and about 1000 Henschel Hs 293, the later of which was essentially identical to the Bullpup in action.

The US built a series of glide-bombs and boosted-glide weapons, some of which saw mass production, including a run of something like 15,000 AZONs.

The SS.11 entered service in 1956, the air launched version the next year, and some 170,000 were eventually produced.

I'm sure I could find more in another 5 minutes.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Those were glide bombs, though -- more akin to the Paveway than the Bullpup. I retract that statement -- I didn't know as much about the Fritz X as I thought.

-- - Chrontius (talk) 04:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong source

This section " it set off a huge secondary explosion of the stored ammunition.[1]" is using wrong source. Flightsoffancy (talk) 21:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since you didn't give the right source, I've removed it as unsourced. - BilCat (talk) 15:22, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Storable liquid fuel"

Ignition! chapter 4, "… and Its Mate."
The situation today, then, is this: For tactical missiles, where the freezing point of the propellants matters, IRFNA type III-A is the oxidizer. The 47,000 pound thrust Lance, whose fuel is UDMH, is an example, as is the Bullpup, which burns a mixture of UDMH, DETA, and acetonitrile.

Page 63 (first printing), chapter "… and Its Mate". Second printing (hardback), page 56.

From the excellent book Ignition! by John D. Clark -- the liquid-fueled version of the Bullpup burns a mixture of UDMH, DETA, and acetonitrile. The oxidizer is IRFNA type III-A, inhibited red fuming nitric acid -- specifically 14% N2O4, 0.6% HF, and the balance nitric acid. (85.94%, by specification)

Quote used under fair use. The words above were mine, and are now public domain.

-- - Chrontius (talk) 04:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Design. The missile was a rolling airframe. It was not level in flight. Bullpup A had small tabs on the wing tips to induce a roll rate of approximately 400 degrees per second. Bullpup B had canted wings to induce the roll. I was á Bullpup rep for Martin Company. 162.247.90.175 (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, all variants of AGM-12 were designed to roll at ~500 degrees per second, but the roll rate would increase to as high as 1000 degrees per second in transonic region, which threw off the control system (there was a 0.1s delay between roll reference gyro reading and control deflection, which was compensated by a fixed 50 degree phase lead which was only valid while the missile was supersonic and rolling at around ~500 degrees per second). This is all extensively described in F-4C weapons manual which has been publicly accessible for a long time. That part is completely false. 2A02:A31A:81C2:BF80:A1A2:3E79:5797:A19F (talk) 13:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]