Talk:93% Club

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because of in-depth coverage by The Guardian, BBC News and i. I'll try to reword it to make it sound less like a random student club. --15 (talk) 02:17, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

15, Agreed. I have removed the tag. See User:Ritchie333/Plain and simple guide to A7 for further detail. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:37, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the 93% Club is the alternative to the Bullingdon Club? Source: "We can all picture that archetypal Bullingdon Club member clad in a bespoke £3,500 tailcoat, bought specially for the riotous dinners that are the hallmark of this famously snobbish Oxford University drinking club. At our ‘alternative Bullingdon’ club, though, a £10 hoodie and jeans is permissible." ([1])
  • ALT1:... that the 93% Club is named for the proportion of university undergraduates who were state educated? Source: "Sophie describes the 93% Club as the "reverse Bullingdon Club" - the opposite of the private male-only dining club at Oxford University whose past members include David Cameron, George Osborne and Boris Johnson. Despite representing 93% of the population, "state-educated students struggle to see themselves reflected in the UK's decision makers, chief executives, actors, artists and the like" ([2])

• Reviewed: Françoise Hardy
• Comment: I am one of the 93% (three A-levels, state comprehensive)

Created by 15 (talk) and Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 15:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC).

• Article's new and long enough, and within policy. Hook wording may need slight revisions; "the alternative to" seems to suggest a similar club, not a deliberate opposite as is the case here. ALT1 would work if it's clarified that the statistics are for UK universities; perhaps something like this?

ALT2: ... that the 93% Club is named for the proportion of UK undergraduates who were state-educated?

Hope this is helpful.--Lemuellio (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

ALT2 works for me. Do we need a new reviewer now? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I think the 93% refers to the share of the UK population (The Foundation – named after the percentage of people who are state school educated in the UK [3]), not just students. It should just be replaced by "share of British people" or similar, I have fixed the error in the article. 15 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Ritchie333, please check the most recent comment by 15 and create a new ALT hook per their comment and the recent change to the article. I have struck all existing hooks as problematic. It wasn't until I read the article that I realized this wasn't an actual club but a charity (and student-run at that) to aid the vast majority of students, now at university, who have been educated in the state-run school system rather than at non-state (privately run) schools. Try to make the hook something that would be understood by non-UK readers: the original hook was completely opaque, and the first ALT lacked important context. Once we have a new hook in place, I'll call for a new reviewer. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that the 93% Club asked social media users to share that they are "state school and proud"? Source: A group of university students are asking people to share that they are “state school and proud” to widen access for state-school pupils. ([4])

ALT4: ... that the 93% Club is a charity named for the proportion of the UK population who were state-educated? Source: Despite representing 93% of the population, "state-educated students struggle to see themselves reflected in the UK's decision makers, chief executives, actors, artists and the like", she says. ([5]) BlueMoonset, are these better? ALT4 is factually correct and hopefully provides for more context. Sorry, I've not participated at DYK before, is ALT3 also too opaque? Because I think I would prefer it to ALT4. 15 (talk) 18:37, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, 15, for the new hooks. Lemuellio, can you please return and evaluate these two hooks? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

• New reviewer requested; prior reviewer hasn't edited on Wikipedia in nearly three weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Article is new enough (created 2 July) and long enough (1946 characters of prose).
  • Article is written in NPOV and contains sufficient inline citations.
  • Earwig is unbothered; only significant hits are presented as direct, attributed quotes in the article.
  • ALT3 and ALT4 are both properly formatted, of adequate length, and cited inline in the article. I don't find ALT4 to be particularly interesting, but ALT3 passes muster, in my opinion. As a side comment, a more precisely worded alternative (no pun intended) to ALT0 would also be fine. For example, something like:

    ALT5: ... that the 93% Club has been described as "the reverse Bullingdon Club"? (Sourced from the same article as ALT3; could easily be added to the article.)

  • QPQ done.
  • I can approve either ALT3 or something like ALT5. Which do you prefer? Armadillopteryx 06:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Not sure if this is my call or Ritchie333's (as the original nominator), but I would prefer ALT5 over ALT3. 15 (talk) 11:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't really have a preference, if consensus is for ALT5 then let's go with that. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I can approve ALT5 once the article text is amended to contain the direct quote above from the i source ([6]). Armadillopteryx 01:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Done.

ALT5 ... that the 93% Club has been described as "the reverse Bullingdon Club"? Source: More than 1000 people have shared what it means to them to be state school educated on social media as part of a campaign created by "the reverse Bullingdon club," The 93% Foundation. ([7]) 15 (talk) 08:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! ALT5 is now good to go. Armadillopteryx 09:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)