Talk:5th/6th Battalion, Royal Victoria Regiment

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Suggested Improvements

Firstly, thanks to all that have contributed to this article. There is lots of information in it. However, in my opinion it is very cumbersome and difficult to digest. I believe the article needs to be re-written in accordance with wikipedia's MoS and broken down into logical sections with a proper narrative flow (e.g. Introduction, History, Battle Honours, Misc, etc). I am prepared to have a crack, but wanted to run it by the talk page first as obviously someone has done a lot of work previously and I don't want to stand on anybody's toes. In rewriting it, I think most (if not all) the information that is currently there can be kept and used, however, it is a matter of re-organising it. I freely admit I am no guru on the RVR, though. I just feel that the page could benefit from a copy-edit in order to make it more encyclopedic. As a part of this, I believe that some of the lists, whilst great in terms of info, make the article cumbersome. For example the list of units raised in Victoria does not belong in this article, it belongs in an article of its own, e.g. "List of Australian Army Units Raised in Victoria". That's my two cents worth, anyway, what does anyone else thing? AustralianRupert (talk) 00:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I have now created a separate article/list page for the list of Victorian units. It can be found at List of Infantry Units Raised by the Australian Army in Victoria. As such I will remove the list from the battalion article. If anyone objects to this, please let me know and we can discuss. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I have completed re-formatting the article. I have merged a few of the previously existing sections as I think there were too many. I have also made them sub sections of the main History section. I think this makes it more reader friendly. I have, however, not touched most of the text. I have done a few minor tweaks here and there but largely it has been left as was. The article will probably need a copy edit if it is to be improved to a B class (along with citations as per below), however, as I do not have any sources I will leave this to someone else. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Citations needed

I have included a citations needed tag on this article as it is completely devoid of in line citations. These are necessary for the article to be taken to a B Class, and important to guard against copyright violations. As I was not involved with writing the article I have no way of knowing where any of the information came from, so I am unable to add citations. I have added a Notes section in the article, and used the reflist template so if you wish to help add citations, all you need to do is use the reference template format and they will appear automatically upon saving.

If you were involved in writing the original article it would be great if you could go through and add these in line citations so that the article can be assessed against the B Class criteria and the citations needed tag removed. Until then it is impossible for anyone to know where the information was gathered from and therefore properly critique the article. Regardless, thanks for your work as there is lots of good information in the article. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Further Reading List

I have removed the large further reading list from the article, as I believe that it does not add to it. It is a good list of books that would be of interest, however, it is too large and the sources are not all specific to the article. I believe that only material that is cited with in line citations should be included in the references section. I will, however, leave the table here on the talk page should any one feel they want to discuss this change. AustralianRupert (talk) 03:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Book Title	Author
Official history of Australia in the War of 1914-18. Vols I-VI	Australian War Memorial
Australia in the War of 1939-45 Vols.I-VII.	Australian War Memorial
The Colonial Volunteers 1836-1901	Bob Nicholls
The Lineage of the Australian Army	A.N. Festberg
Australian Army Guidons and Colours	A.N. Festberg
Forward with the Fifth (5th Bn, 1st AIF)	A.W. Keown
All the Kings Enemies – A history of the 2nd/5th Australian Infantry Battalion	Syd Tregellis-Smith
Espirit de Corps – A history of the 5th Battalion and the The Victorian Scottish Regiment	Brigadier F. W. Speed
As Rough as Bags (6th Bn, 1st AIF)	R.J. (Ron) Austin
Nothing Over Us (2nd/6th Bn)	Sir David Hay
Bold, Steady, Faithful - A history of the 6th Bn and the Royal Melbourne Regiment	R.J. (Ron) Austin
The 2nd/14th Battalion	W.B. Russell
Mud and Blood (22nd Bn)	P. Share
To Kokoda and Beyond (39th Bn)	Victor Austin
Militia Battalion at War (58th/59th Bn)	Russell Mathews
Those Ragged Bloody Heroes (39th Bn)	Peter Bruhne
The ANZACS	Patsy Adam Smith
Anzac to Amiens	C.E.W. Bean
They Dared Mightily – Australians awarded the VC	Lionel Wigmore
The White Ghurkas	R.J. (Ron) Austin
Saving the Channel Ports	Col. W.D. Joyce VC
Breaking the Road for the Rest	Col. W.D. Joyce VC
Rabual 1942	Douglas Splin
Not as Duty Only	Maj. H Gullet MC
The War Diaries of Captain Percy Lay MC, DCM, MM, C de G.	J.L Turner
Recollections of a Regimental Medical Officer	M.D. Steward
Citizen and Soldier – Lieutenant General Sir Ivan Mackay KBE, CMG, DSO and Bar, VD, C de G	Ivan Chapman
There goes a man – Lieutenant General Sir Stanley Savage KBE, CB, DSO, MC ED	W.B. Russell
The Australian Victories in France 1918	Gen. Sir John Monash
The Battle of Hamel	John Laffin
Australians at War	Time Life Books
Diggers: the Australian Army, Navy and Air Force in eleven wars	George Odgers
War Letters of General Monash	F.M. Cutlack
John Monash	Geoffrey Serle
Monash as Military Commander	P.A. Pedersen
Army Australia	George Odgers