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- I thought that images of coins and banknotes can (and usually will) be used to see how they look like. And they are not actually overused, just what is needed, not more. 82.141.125.159 (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- What is needed isn't every image of every side of every unit of currency in this set. We are not a guide to European currency. We're an encyclopedia. There is a difference. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Hammersoft, thank you for your contribution. I've read through the "NOTGUIDE" and Wikipedia:Alternative outlets. I want to claim this is not in contradition with these, nor they offer any alternative: the list of 2€ comm coins is not a 1. Genealogical entries 2he White or Yellow Pages 3.Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. 5.Sales catalogs. , 6. Changelogs or release notes , 7. Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations, 8. A complete exposition of all possible details. If you know of any better and more trustworthy places than wikipedia to have a factual overview of the 2€ comm. coins... let me know. Won't be easy to find and I've been following these 2€ comm. coins for 2 years now. I understand a bit your reasoning, but I do think that if Wikipedia wants to be a "complete encyclopedia" it can and should have a list with explanations of all the 2€ comm. coins. Can't I argue that the pics of all 2€ comm. coins is NOT an list of images of all the 2€ coins, but indeed a specific selection of them? I can imagine that some people wonder if they have a real 2€ coin in their hands because it is completely different from the standard 2€ coins and anything they might have seen before. I can imagine their first idea then is to go on the wikipedia to find out. What is the alternative? Going to every single national bank to find out if it has been coined by them? Sometimes it is not so easy to find what country the coin came from. And are you sure every national bank has like english translation so it is easy to navigate to ? Really ... I use wikipedia for referencing to 2€ coins and pictures... and it is a REAL bummer and waste of time to find other links with pictures. I hope 1. the pics are put back, 2. we'll have at least 1 thrustworthy place on the web where we have a full overview of which ones exist + information on what's on the coin image. If wikipedia cannot give this for a matter as important as this a limited series of a currency for 800 million Europeans... then what is? Wikipedia is the most trustworthy place to integrate pics from e.g. and refer back to ... now with all the pics deleted or just about... this damages the reputation of wikipedia imho, no? Thy for your experienced viewpoints.--SvenAERTS (talk) 15:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- The point remains that you would not expect to find a picture of every Euro coin in a dictionary entry for Euro coins. That's because it's a dictionary. The same principle applies to encyclopedias. It's an understanding that is lost on most people. Dissecting "not guide" misses the point. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wrong. OF COURSE you wouldn't find multiple images in a dictionary because their purpose is to provide brief definitions. Wikipedia is not a WP:DICTIONARY and the same principle, whatever that is exactly, does NOT apply to Wikipedia. A dictionary wouldn't even have an entry on €2 commemorative coins, much less verbal descriptions, mintage data, and references, so I don't see why the hell the lack of images can be compared. Wikipedia gives in-depth, informative descriptions about topics, which should include all images necessary (and freely available) to illustrate the topic. These coin images are prefectly acceptable for use by enwiki's standards. It's sure lost on you that numismatics is a visual field and images of coins are necessary for understanding. Reywas92Talk 19:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say Wikipedia is a dictionary. I was drawing a comparison of what you would expect to find in a dictionary, encyclopedia, and guide. We are not a guide. No, including all images is not a requirement. We have Commons for galleries as needed of free imagery. That Commons doesn't accept non-free imagery doesn't grant us leave to include all available non-free imagery on the subject, just because we can. Yes, it's completely lost on me that numismatics is a visual field. It's lost on me too that music album covers is a visual field, as are book covers, videographies, visual arts, and all sorts of other things. I'm a certified idiot after all. Look, if all images of all coins are necessary for understanding, then provide some secondary sources pointing to the notability of every design. Else, they can't be included. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wrong. OF COURSE you wouldn't find multiple images in a dictionary because their purpose is to provide brief definitions. Wikipedia is not a WP:DICTIONARY and the same principle, whatever that is exactly, does NOT apply to Wikipedia. A dictionary wouldn't even have an entry on €2 commemorative coins, much less verbal descriptions, mintage data, and references, so I don't see why the hell the lack of images can be compared. Wikipedia gives in-depth, informative descriptions about topics, which should include all images necessary (and freely available) to illustrate the topic. These coin images are prefectly acceptable for use by enwiki's standards. It's sure lost on you that numismatics is a visual field and images of coins are necessary for understanding. Reywas92Talk 19:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- The point remains that you would not expect to find a picture of every Euro coin in a dictionary entry for Euro coins. That's because it's a dictionary. The same principle applies to encyclopedias. It's an understanding that is lost on most people. Dissecting "not guide" misses the point. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- What is needed isn't every image of every side of every unit of currency in this set. We are not a guide to European currency. We're an encyclopedia. There is a difference. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
let wikipedia die because of these stupid robots deleting everything and neglecting all the effort and time we gave to build up these pages. Much appreciated i see from now onwards if you want information about these coins check the following pages http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/euro/cash/commemorative/index_en.htm http://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/coins/comm/html/index.en.html http://myeurohobby.eu/
I am not going to fight to keep these pages even though in the past i dedicated quite some time to help building them RIP Wikipedia --Melitikus (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia will not die any time soon, thanks in part to the efforts of a great many people who strive to keep copyright encumbrances to a minimum. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:08, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- In many ways Wikipedia IS more of a guide than an encyclopedia. Which encyclopdia would have separate entries of many bands and singers albums (and singles, for that matter)? Not one. The normal encyclopedias I've read won't even mention all of Bob Dylan's albums. Same goes to this. No encyclopedia would list every coin even without images. Maybe there would be a table like the one in the start of "Issues" section.
- But one thing I don't get, is why there are images of some coins? Either they are all copyrighted & non-free, or they're not. And which way they are there is very inconsistent. Netherlands has images for all its coins, Germany has all but one (2009 commonly issued missing), Belgium has four of eight, Finland has three of nine. Only one country is consistent with this, plus of course few countries whose coins haven't got any images. So, is there a reason to include just these images? 85.217.22.105 (talk) 20:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- Regardless of what Wikipedia seems to be, it is not a guide. As to the variances by country, it's because some countries release rights to the images on their coins, and some don't. Each country can decide on their own. --Hammersoft (talk) 03:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- In many ways Wikipedia IS more of a guide than an encyclopedia. Which encyclopdia would have separate entries of many bands and singers albums (and singles, for that matter)? Not one. The normal encyclopedias I've read won't even mention all of Bob Dylan's albums. Same goes to this. No encyclopedia would list every coin even without images. Maybe there would be a table like the one in the start of "Issues" section.
- Just read the NOTGUIDE you linked. As far as I understand, there is nothing regarding to this coin article situation.
- And shouldn't the same reasoning than in the album covers be used here? All of the album covers are copyrighted, but still most of them are there when available. Those are said to be solely to illustrate the audio recording in question. Could somebody tell me what would be the reason to not use that rationale here? 85.217.51.163 (talk) 13:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- You will note, of course, that discographies do not have album covers on them. This in effect is a 'coinography'. If there were a specific article about a specific coin, then a non-free image on that article might be appropriate. Not here. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
- Just read the NOTGUIDE you linked. As far as I understand, there is nothing regarding to this coin article situation.
- Then why have a part of pictures here? Roughly one fourth of image boxes currently have the image there. I'd say: include all or include none.
- The analogy of discography-coinography is sort of understandable. But, I started to check if there are similar articles as this coin article, and first I thought of was 50 State Quarters, and, guess what? It indeed has picture of every coin there, and as I clicked to other U.S. coin series they seem all have 'em. I'm quite sure the U.S. coins also have copyright. 85.217.20.33 (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
- Then why have a part of pictures here? Roughly one fourth of image boxes currently have the image there. I'd say: include all or include none.
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Splitting
I know it has been discussed before but isn't it the time to split with the 2012 issues coming up along with the '10 years of Euro'-series? Furthermore, we could add those images to the coins and then it wouldn't feel so hard to navigate. Mare Tranquillitatis (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
- Adding the images, even if the article is split into several, would be a very bad idea. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
euroHOBBY
i would like to invite all the contributors of this topic to join the euroHOBBY website http://myeurohobby.eu/ --Melitikus (talk) 22:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
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Images
It seems that most of the images were deleted from Commons because fair use isn't allowed there or some shit like that. This is ridiculous. Wikipedia (and Commons) stand up for the rights of people to use images as they wish and stop pandering to big business and its copyright nonsense. We can only end the monopoly brought about by copyrights if everybody decides to disregard such laws. This article now looks shit without the images.--79.34.11.198 (talk) 23:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia respects copyrights. We can not be a free content resource if we didn't. Rather, we wouldn't even exist. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
But the article does look very awful without images. a coion cannot be copyrigted. that's nonsense. all the web shops which sell coins have the coins images and many other sites. do you think that they have a special license, or they have been punished? --ArgGeo (talk) 18:34, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- A coin's design most emphatically CAN be copyrighted, regardless of how much it is used or displayed. There is a concept of fair use which permits such usage. We also allow fair use, under a strict policy. Including the copyrighted images of the dozens of copyrighted coins here would violate that policy. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
I wanna know which coins are copyrighted, cause I've some euro photos and i wanna upload'em. --ArgGeo (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not interested in your opinion of the article with/without the photographs. It's your opinion, and your opinion only. We don't splatter an article with non-free content in violation of WP:NFCC because one or more editors think the article "looks like shit without the images". Every Euro coin's national sides with the exception of France and Finland (and that's debatable) are non-free. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Who does copyrights the coins designs?--ArgGeo (talk) 17:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- The countries that created the designs. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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Splitting up "2012 coinage"
Neither do I get the logic for why mid-August was chosen for the split "first and second six-months" subcetions, nor do see any reason or advantage for the split itself. On the other hand, some internal links are probably broken, so I'd like to undo it if nobody objects...
FloK (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
San Marino 2012 coin is in wrong table!
Commonly issued coin from San Marino is in table of commemorative coins, should be in commonly issued coins but perhaps something should be placed instead, dunno if they issued commemorative in 2012
(88.212.27.58 (talk) 08:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC))
- I couldn't find a "proper" ref yet, but de: states that common issues are restricted to EU member states, so San Marino (non-EU) needs to issue it as national. FloK (talk) 10:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Part 1 and Part 2
whom idea was to divide the year in 2 parts? it makes no sense at all even though now each country can issue 2 coins per year, both coins could be issued in the same period - so i really dont understand that part 1 and 2 concept --Melitikus (talk) 20:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Vatican City coinage 2013
Press release from Vatican City, 1 March 2013 (VIS):
Regarding coins, a €2.00 one commemorating the Sede Vacante will be issued. It is the only one that will be circulated seeing that, according to the European convention with the Vatican City State, only one coin is allowed to be issued per year, with an extra one permitted in the case of a Sede Vacante. There will, therefore, be two coins in 2013: one for the Sede Vacante and the other, to be issued in April, with an image of Benedict XVI. The Sede Vacante coin, 125,000 of which will be minted, bears the emblem of the Cardinal camerlengo with the pavilion of the Apostolic Camera.
What seemed to be the cancellation of the coin dedicated to the 28th World Youth Day in Rio de Janeiro, may have been a misunderstanding, caused by linguistic problems. The Italan version reads:
Relativamente alle monete sarà emessa una moneta da 2 euro, commemorativa della Sede vacante 2013. È l'unica circolante che si può emettere, per la convenzione europea per cui lo Stato della Città del Vaticano può emettere una sola moneta per anno, più una per l'eventuale Sede Vacante. Pertanto nel 2013 le monetazioni saranno due: una per la sede vacante e una (in aprile) per la monetazione ordinaria del millesimo 2013 con effige di Benedetto XVI.
The €2 coin with the image of Benedict XVI might just be part of the regular 2013 coin set. I will therefore revert the edit concerning the coin for the World Youth Day.--Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 09:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Complete set of images
For those who like to look at the images of all available €2CCs. Switch to language version "Deutsch" - German Wikipedia allows their publication! --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Luxembourgish Grand-Ducal Dynasty series
On 11 February 2012 user ArgGeo edited this chapter, containing the 2004, 2005, 2006 and (first) 2012 coin. On 25 October 2012 another user, Fmantakos, added the 2009 and 2011 coins to the list. Besides this publication [1], is there any other information, that the mentioned coins are part of that Grand-Ducal Dynasty series? And why are the coins of 2007, 2008 and 2010 not considered to be part of that series? --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 17:26, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- All Luxemburgish commemorative coins since 2004 belong to the series Grand-Ducal Dynasty - see http://abload.de/img/eumails0wsei.png --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 17:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Italy 2012
Nowhere in Official Journal of the European Union writes that Italy had a commemorative coin for 2012. Xaris333 (talk) 14:20, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Ok. I found it one year later [2]. Xaris333 (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Coinage Finland 2014
User 194.126.99.34 added two coins Finland 2014. Which information is this refering to? --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 14:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Latvia
Note that Bank of Latvia just has satisfied the drooling Latvian public by confirming [3] a new circulation commemorative coin will be released towards the end of the year; I guess it is too early to tell when, although with lats they usually did it in November ~~Xil (talk) 15:32, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- The coin Riga, cultural Capital of Europe will be edited in September 2014 --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 07:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
fantastic overview of 2 Euro circulation coins
Yesterday an interesting web page went online, containing an overview of all 2 Euro circulation coins (regular and commemorative coins), plus additional multilingual information (German, Dutch, English, French, Italian, Spanish). --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- The page will be updated regularly — just enjoy it: http://zweieuro.j-d-t.de/ --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 07:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- And here is a poster of all official series of regular Euro circulation coins, including the coming ones of Andorra, Lithuania and Spain:
- http://abload.de/img/32plusii18122014xgucj.png Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year! --Gerd.Seyffert (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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