Talk:2C-B-FLY

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Affinity and Efficacy of Furan and Dihydrofuran analogues

"The symmetrical aromatic benzodifuran derivatives tend to have the highest binding affinity at 5-HT2A, but the saturated benzodifuran derivatives have higher efficacy, while the saturated benzodipyran derivatives are more selective for 5-HT2C."

It's given here that saturated benzodifuran derivatives have reputedly a higher intrinsic activity than their corresponding aromatic counterparts. This information is wrong. In the article "Enantiospecific synthesis and pharmacological evaluation of a series of super-potent, conformationally restricted 5-HT(2A/2C) receptor agonists" affinities and efficacies are given for both saturated and unsaturated derivatives. There is no constant relationship between aromaticity of furan rings and intrinsic activity. Clearly, Bromo-DragonFLY has a higher efficacy (93%) than DOB-Fly does (80%), but for some substituents at 8. position this relation is reversed. Doubleffect~enwiki (talk) 19:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just so everybody knows:

There is a bad batch of this stuff going around. Several sites confirm it. There is one confirmed death, and possibly another. Information continues to come in, and I am going to add it as necessary. Its important to this drug's page for two reasons. Firstly, if anyone has heard a rumor they need to get the straight facts. Secondly, its not 2C-B-FLY that is hurting people, but either a mis-labeled package, or some sort of poorly synthesized product.

The symptoms, duration, and dosages people have tested in this batch do not match anything of a 2c-b-fly profile. It is important not to pin the blame on this drug, but to point it at the lack of testing in the industry in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.35.7 (talk) 05:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the genuine concern to save lives, but can we all be sure not to add unverified information to the article itself please. Wikipedia is not a news wire or a drug advice centre, it is an encyclopaedia. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 09:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look, for example, at Roman Polanski and David Letterman and their associated high-profile articles; that's where the "encyclopedists" should be at work making sure this is an encyclopedia. This is a relatively small-profile big-issue article and IAR would be nice to apply (or just frame the claim as "speculation on numerous message boards" rather than an objective claim of fact, then, epistemologically, the statement is secure), but that's just my 2-cents.

Peace and Passion ☮ ("I'm listening....") 17:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS I'm not the IP; but, I did go and read around after I heard this claim (including bluelight) and that's how I feel involved.

I think a toxicity section is relevant now, since the Bromo-DragonFLY article has a similar one, and Erowid is a credible source. The information has been verified, and it's relevant to the history of the drug involved. Andares (talk) 00:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Properties as analog

Someone just changed the information under "Legality." 2C-B-Fly isn't completely different just because you add a furanyl ring system, you're just adding two methyl groups to join the 2,5-dimethoxy groups of 2C-B into a furanyl ring system. There's also no shared resonance along the "wings" with the benzene, so it's still just a complexely substituted 2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine. Andares (talk) 03:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]