Talk:2029 FIFA Club World Cup

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2nd or 22nd edition?!

The discussion was almost exclusively between multiple accounts of the same blocked user. BLAIXX 17:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Navigating through some articles related to football, I saw that there is a small error here regarding the definition of the edition of this tournament!

The 2025 edition is as if it were the 21st and this one is as if it were the 2nd. I saw that there is a discussion in the article about the 2025 edition, but nothing here.

So it would be interesting to open a vote to define which criteria will be followed, since there are divergent opinions and there is no consensus.

What cannot happen is stay like it is right now, 2025 being the 21st edition and 2029 the 2nd! SinisterUnion (talk) 17:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think it is the 22nd edition because while the person that reverts it to 2nd says that Infantino calls it the new Club World Cup, Infantino is only saying that to market it, not literally. If it is the 2nd edition, then do the 20 previous tournament editions not count? In my opinion, it is the 22nd edition, just under a new format. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 18:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think you are trying to interpret something that has no interpretation to be done.. "Infantino is only saying that to market it, not literally", bro hahaha it is literally "NEW Club World Cup" (https://www.instagram.com/p/C9ehOK8oXrT/) in Infantino and FIFA's official pages!

So, I know and respect that we have to debate this issue here to define whatever, following Wikipedia guidelines and not just change everything, but that's clear that we already have a definition in this matter!

Finally, answering your question @ILoveSport2006, the 20 previous tournament editions do count (being the champions world champions too), but as a different tournament, like Intercontinental Cup that was a different tournament too to define the world champions at that time! Fa30sp (talk) 20:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fa30sp, as SinisterUnion mentioned, the 2025 edition says 21st and 2029 says 2nd, there is no consistency. A new and completely different format doesn't mean a reset on the editions count.

Also, saying bro hahaha, plus using capitals and exclamation marks to make a point is a really bad attitude. There can be irritating people on Wikipedia, but 98% have been at least respectful, the little things you have used in your comment show no respect. This is my last reply regarding this. I'm not saying that to be rude, but you would be wasting your time replying back (that's not meant to be rude either). ILoveSport2006 (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The 2025 edition says 21st and 2029 says 2nd" bro hahahahahaha, you using that as a source, you kidding with me! That's in Wikipedia where users edit! I'm talking about FIFA, the entity that rules football, and they are treating as a NEW tournament, they are not saying only new and completely different format, they are saying NEW FIFA Club World Cup!

And, as I said before, the 20 previous tournament editions do count (being the champions world champions too), but as a different tournament, like Intercontinental Cup that was a different tournament too to define the world champions at that time! Fa30sp (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in my opinion the best thing to do is open a vote to decide what the majority thinks it is correct. As we can see again, there is no consensus at all about this.

We just can't leave it as it is (with the 2025 edition being the 21st and the 2029 edition being the 2nd), to maintain Wikipedia's high quality standard. SinisterUnion (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current consensus per the most recent discussion on WT:FOOTY is that this is a continuation of the old tournament under a new format, not a completely new tournament. If there is going to be a change in consensus, it will need to be discussed there, or at Talk:FIFA Club World Cup. Jay eyem (talk) 18:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fa30sp: if you have an issue with the current consensus, you need to bring it up at the appropriate venue. You have already been blocked for editing at 2025 FIFA Club World Cup for disruptive editing for trying to make the exact same change on this page. Jay eyem (talk) 20:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It will be the 22nd edition. It's counterintuitive since there was an abrupt change in the competition format (and the FIFA Intercontinental Cup is much closer to the current model), but officially, the "new" FIFA Club World Cup is the same competition in chronological order. Svartner (talk) 23:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bro, you are perfect on your arguments, that's why will be the 2nd edition.

As I said before, we have a new tournament created, FIFA Intercontinental Cup, as a similar tournament of the old FIFA Club World Championship/Cup (2000-23), where the 1st can be considered a continuation of the 2nd.

And, finally, we have the new FIFA Club World Cup with its INAUGURAL tournament in 2025 and it is very easy to see this: "NEW FIFA CLUB WORLD CUP" https://www.instagram.com/p/C9ehOK8oXrT/ Fa30sp (talk) 04:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not, and it is already clear that the chronological order will be maintained. It is only mentioned as "new due to the change in format, as occurred from the 2000 to 2005 edition. The format changes, and the competition remains the same. Svartner (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have some cross-talk here between sockpuppets. Please keep an eye out if strong-willed new editors with similar positions on the FIFA Club World Cup make these arguments in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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