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Distribution of third place teams in knockout round

Has there been any announcement from FIFA how the third place teams who qualify for the knockout round will be distributed? There are 495 different combinations of teams who could qualify ($_{12}C{_{8}}={\tfrac {12!}{8!4!}}={\tfrac {12*11*10*9*8!}{4*3*2*1*8!}}=11*5*9=495$), which would make for an extremely complicated or lengthy distribution matrix. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 16:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

French language in infobox

I attempted to remove the French translation from the infobox, as the event will only be held in Anglophone regions of Canada (namely Toronto and Vancouver) only to be reverted by @Jkudlick: under the reasoning that "French is one of the official languages of Canada". It is not standard for English Wikipedia to provide French translations of the names of sporting events in Anglophone regions of Canada- e.g. Quebec City Marathon contains a French translation but Vancouver Marathon does not contain a French translation. For this reason I don't see any reason why the French language should be included here. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 20:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

It is standard for the WP:FOOTY project to provide translations of major tournament names in English and in all official languages of the host nation(s). Your argument that Vancouver Marathon does not include a French translation does not take into consideration that WP:Some stuff exists for a reason. In other words, where there is precedent, it should be followed unless there is a convincing reason to do so. Not including French ignores that a significant portion of the Canadian population not only speaks French, but does not speak English. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 02:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, not sure what the problem could be here. Canada is officially bi-lingual and the bid for the competition was done at the country level (United 2026 FIFA World Cup bid), not at the province level. --McSly (talk) 03:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

All Canadian soccer competitions have French even if Quebec and New Brunswick do not host matches. 159.115.9.43 (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

New venues table and gallery

Mexico City Estadio Azteca New York/New Jersey MetLife Stadium† Dallas AT&T Stadium† Kansas City Arrowhead Stadium† Houston NRG Stadium† Atlanta Mercedes-Benz Stadium† Los Angeles SoFi Stadium† Philadelphia Lincoln Financial Field† Seattle Lumen Field† San Francisco Bay Area Levi's Stadium† Boston Gillette Stadium† Miami Hard Rock Stadium† Vancouver BC Place Monterrey Estadio BBVA† Guadalajara Estadio Akron† Toronto BMO Field†

2026 FIFA World Cup venues

Host City	Venue	Location	Capacity
			Nom	Bid
Mexico City	Estadio Azteca	Coyoacán, MX	87,523	87,523
New York/New Jersey	MetLife Stadium†	East Rutherford, NJ	82,500	87,157
Dallas	AT&T Stadium†	Arlington, TX	80,000	92,967
Kansas City	Arrowhead Stadium†	Kansas City, MO	76,416	76,640
Houston	NRG Stadium†	Houston, TX	72,220	80,000
Atlanta	Mercedes-Benz Stadium†	Atlanta, GA	71,000	75,000
Los Angeles	SoFi Stadium†	Inglewood, CA	70,240	70,240
Philadelphia	Lincoln Financial Field†	Philadelphia, PA	69,796	69,328
Seattle	Lumen Field†	SoDo, WA	69,000	69,000
San Francisco Bay Area	Levi's Stadium†	Santa Clara, CA	68,500	70,909
Boston	Gillette Stadium†	Foxborough, MA	65,878	70,000
Miami	Hard Rock Stadium†	Miami Gardens, FL	64,767	67,518
Vancouver	BC Place	Vancouver, BC	54,500	54,500
Monterrey	Estadio BBVA†	Guadalupe, NL	53,500	53,463
Guadalajara	Estadio Akron†	Zapopan, JA	49,850	48,071
Toronto	BMO Field†	Exhibition Place, ON	45,736	45,736

† Venue will be known by its host city name during the tournament, e.g. MetLife Stadium as "New York/New Jersey Stadium", Levi's Stadium as "San Francisco Bay Area Stadium", and Estadio BBVA as "Estadio Monterrey".

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I'd like to present this concept that may be an acceptable compromise between editors who are keen on preserving a gallery of photographs of all the venues, and editors such as myself who'd rather an accessible table with clear rows and columns of sortable data. I was recently made aware of the "sildeshow" gallery mode which presents images in a carousel. Here, I've applied such a gallery in a way that compliments a table of host cities, venues, locations, and capacities. It significantly reduces the size of the section, while making the information easier to parse and the photographs more legible. Thoughts? — AFC Vixen 🦊 13:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Training sites

FIFA released possible training sites and hotels yesterday, so wondering if we could add them in.

Team base camps

Training site	Hotel
Atlanta United Training Centre, Marietta	JW Marriott Atlanta Buckhead, Atlanta
Kennesaw State University, Kennesaw	InterContinental Buckhead Atlanta, Atlanta
Baylor School, Chattanooga	The Read House Hotel, Chattanooga
FC Cincinnati, Cincinnati	To be confirmed
Dallas Baptist University, Dallas	Westin Dallas Downtown, Dallas
FC Dallas Stadium, Frisco	Renaissance Dallas at Plano Legacy West, Plano
University of Dallas, Irving	Omni Las Colinas Hotel, Irving
Texas Christian University, Fort Worth	Sheraton Fort Worth Downtown Hotel, Fort Worth
Lambeau Field, Green Bay	Lodge Kohler, Green Bay
Chivas Verde Valle, Zapopan	Hard Rock Hotel Guadalajara, Zapopan
Grand Park Sports Campus, Westfield	Renaissance Indianapolis North Hotel, Carmel
Orange County Great Park, Irvine	Marriott Irvine Spectrum, Irvine
KC Current Training Facility, Riverside	Hotel Kansas City – The Unbound Collection by Hyatt, Kansas City
Sporting KC Training Centre, Kansas City	Sheraton Overland Park Hotel at the Convention Center, Overland Park
University of Kansas, Lawrence	Stonehill Lawrence, Trademark Collection by Wyndham, Lawrence
Louisville City FC, Louisville	Omni Louisville Hotel, Louisville
Centro de Alto Rendimiento, Mexico City	On-site accommodation, Mexico City
La Nueva Casa del Futbol - Toluca, Toluca	DoubleTree by Hilton Toluca, Toluca
Rayados Training Centre, Monterrey	The Westin Monterrey Valle, San Pedro Garza García
Philadelphia Union Stadium, Chester	Hotel Du Pont, Wilmington
Saint Louis University, St. Louis	Magnolia Hotel St. Louis, St. Louis
RSL Training Centre, Herriman	RSL Training Academy Residence, Herriman
University of Utah, Salt Lake City	Hyatt Regency Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City
San Antonio Stadium, San Antonio	Kimpton Santo Hotel, San Antonio

47.153.166.177 (talk) 00:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

References

San Francisco Bay Area venue

The sources that I've reviewed, included the FIFA announcement, refer to the Levi's Stadium location as "San Francisco Bay Area", and this article uses that term where it fits. Where it doesn't fit, the article uses "San Francisco". Where the term needs to be shortened, I think the article should use either Santa Clara or San Jose, which is the closest big city to the stadium. Rks13 (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Well San Francisco is more well known than San Jose even if the Earthquakes play in the latter. We really use the more well known places. El Rata Loco (talk) 21:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I understand and I disagree. Part of the reason that San Francisco is better known is that articles like this reinforce the idea that San Francisco is the only noteworthy city in the Bay Area. Rks13 (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rks13: If you can point to multiple reliable sources that are presently referring to the area as Santa Clara or San Jose, then the change can be made. Otherwise, we will retain the name San Francisco. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Why? Can you point to a reliable source that refers to Santa Clara as "San Francisco"? The FIFA site does not, it refers to it as "San Francisco Bay Area"? Rks13 (talk) 20:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Why do you need to present sources to justify your requested change? Because you are the one requesting the change, and you have been around long enough to understand that.

Seven venues are actually located within their respective named cities (Miami Gardens is a separate legal entity from Miami but SoDo and Exhibition City are districts within Seattle and Toronto, respectively), but every other venue is referred to as the most recognizable city near that venue. If we change the shortened "San Francisco" to Santa Clara, should we then change New York/New Jersey to East Rutherford, Dallas as Arlington, Los Angeles as Inglewood, etc.? The reason we don't is because, at present, all reliable sources refer to the locations by the names designated by FIFA. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Who do 1st Play ?

As 1st Places can play up to 5 3rd Place teams and since 8 teams can qualify, therefore the chances 2 or all 5 teams in 3rd teams entering into last 32, that we have a chart/table to say this team will play that team; 3rd Places of A B C D F could all qualify, so who would play 1st E, C D and F also can face I alongside G and H, who do they face. Jamestwice. Jamestwice (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jamestwice: That will be added to the article if/when FIFA decides to publish it. There are 495 possible combinations of third-place teams that will advance to the group round, so the table will likely be very long. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

What I mean is you could have winners going down and third place going across, with 1 2,1 3,2,1 4,3,2,1 5,4,3,2,1

Jamestwice Jamestwice (talk) 15:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Until FIFA publishes the third-place table, any tables created by editors would have to be removed as original research. Even then, we should probably just provide a link to the table since it would likely contain 495 entries (see the math below). — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 17:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Agree, wait until FIFA publish how this will work. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

And I imagine at some point, FIFA will publish a table for this, a bit like the one for the current Euro 2024: [1]. At that point, we could point out there is a table, but copying the detail of it would be way too much detail (the UEFA Euro one has 15 combinations, the FIFA World Cup one would have lots more as there's more groups). Joseph2302 (talk) 06:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I know we have duplicated the table for 24-team tournaments in the past, e.g. the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup, because there are only 15 possible combinations of advancing 3rd-place teams ($_{6}C{_{4}}={\tfrac {6!}{4!2!}}={\tfrac {6*5*4!}{2*1*4!}}=3*5=15$). I absolutely agree that duplicating the table for this tournament would be unwieldy at best since there are 495 possible combinations of advancing 3rd-place teams ($_{12}C{_{8}}={\tfrac {12!}{8!4!}}={\tfrac {12*11*10*9*8!}{4*3*2*1*8!}}=11*5*9=495$) and that a reference to the published table should suffice. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Table or Charts

This what I meant on who go first https://1drv.ms/w/c/2445ff2e99b133ed/EQKEnckBab5BgSj7gCajUdcBR2XTwudSmPDP3CC-BdSiNw?e=dGYcbh Jamestwice Jamestwice (talk) 11:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)