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The popular vote percentage as reported by ABC, CBS, NBC and others shows Trump with 49.9% This is not consistent with AP's reporting (which is cited) but the majority of networks report 49.9. If we are rounding to nearest tenth of one point then 49.9% Trump to Harris 48.3% is the correct rounding. Full counts have shown Trump below 49.85 which would round up to 50.0%. If you are going to round consistently between candidates it should read 49.9% to 48.3% or if rounding to whole percent 50% to 48%. Typically Wikipedia has rounded to tenth of a percent. Hans100 (talk) 21:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry your side lost the election but we aren’t going to change the results to try to make you feel a bit better about things. Bjoh249 (talk) 22:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

He won but he is under 50% so that is a fact. Hans100 (talk) 02:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

NBC, ABC, and CNN are all reporting the exact same popular vote total, which is about half a million votes ahead of AP's current total. LV ^{✉ ✎} 03:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:DUE, we need to be reporting what those sources say. Prcc27 (talk) 03:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

As of 10:35 EST:

74,504,984-76,993,848 (ABC, CNN, NBC). CNN and NBC report the percents as 48.3%-49.9%, while ABC reports no percentage.

74,348,719-76,851,910 (AP). The reported percentage is 48.4%-50.0%.

A third of a million total popvote difference, sorry. LV ^{✉ ✎} 03:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

He won the popular vote and no amount of denial will change that fact. No if ands or buts. sorry kiddo. though luck. 2601:647:4D7C:BD20:65E7:C04D:CD3E:8678 (talk) 08:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

This has got to be the most biased page I've seen in a long while. At no point does it even address what her weaknesses as a candidate were, even though this article is about the election itself? The article had no issue, however, characterizing each and every weakness of Trump. Did it bring up her Word Salad issues? How about "Change anything?...Nothing comes to mind." Passing on Al Smith dinner? Really? C'mon now, throughout her entire career she has been on the far-left, radical wing of the Dem Party, and had won zero primaries as a Presidential candidate in any primary election. She has espoused these leftist policies her entire career, until, suddenly, now? Now she's a joyful centrist? And she had so many proposals and policies? Huh? Clearly didn't resonate. Millions of illegal immigrants flowed in over Biden/Harris term, but you suggest that it started to slow at the end, so Trump was being misleading in his closing campaign argument? Are you kidding me?

Of course, Wiki doesn't use the word Radical anymore when discussing the more extreme elements of the Dem Party. It has bought into the far-left's rebranding of itself. Radical is much closer to Progressive than it is a Liberal. So Radicals have been rebranded as Progressives.

How about all the softball interviews, with only one exception...while running for the US Presidency...oh, and no unscripted press conferences. Paying millions for stars to "support" her onstage. You state there were conspiracy theories from Dems following the vote, but never used the word "baseless." But you sure do in the next paragraph about Trump supporter conspiracy theories? So you've decided, I guess.

You clearly imply that getting shot was largely his fault. I guess he called himself Hitler and a Fascist? Believe it or not, this part of this articles shows that Wiki has made a little progress, as there were other Trump Wiki articles that "suggested" he got shot. I could go on and on, but it's a waste of time. Let's just stop pretending this is an encyclopedia. It is a spin zone for the left.

Keep deluding yourselves - that this was all Biden's fault; Harris was not to blame at all; that Trump is evil; and that Trump voters are stupid, gullible, dangerous. Delusional...fact is, Joe Biden was in the public eye as a traditional Liberal for 50 years, but suddenly turned into a Progressive/Radical, all on his own? That wing had nothing to do with it, and Harris had nothing to do with it? Joe just pivoted on his own is all, against his blue collar pragmatic roots, and straight into....massive stimulus playing a major role in aggregated inflation, open borders, and woke as can be. This left wing caused this loss. Face it, or don't. It went too far. 2601:243:2681:74E0:6DB5:4E4C:2261:E6B4 (talk) 20:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

What is you're purpose of commenting? We understand that you may have your own views, but you need not force your way on others. We have our own views too, but we all need to just look at the facts from reliable sources.

I do agree with you in part from a personal perspective, but we should not mix our personal view/ideas with our edits and comments here.

User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 21:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Bjoh249, you made your opinions clear last time. We are going to go with what reliable sources say, whether that is that Trump won a majority or a plurality of the popular vote. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

This is such a wild reaction to simple numbers. "Hey, the info doesn't quite add up on this article" "SHUT UP YOU LOST!!!"

Should the article cite numbers or should it cite Bjoh's weird emotional outburst Thx.thx.goodbye (talk) 06:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

This is what a .1% change? I don't think we have to update every 10 mins as numbers go up and down. Once all the votes have been counted and the final numbers released, then we should update. As far as what you said about other elections, they are over all the votes counted, this one is still on going. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 17:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Currently Trump has 49.98% of the vote. So, it's 50.0% since none of these election articles rounds to the hundredth of a percent. Topcat777 19:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Correct, this is why I think that it is unnecessary to update the tally. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 19:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

According to Cook as of this evening, Trump is at 49.83% and VP Harris is at 48.26%. The tenth of a percent rounding is now 49.8% Donald to 48.3% Harris. Hans100 (talk) 05:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a concensus with sticking with the AP. The results will change when the AP changes them. Bjoh249 (talk) 13:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Or if the current consensus changes. --Super Goku V (talk) 08:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I would say it is clear enough that he only has a plurality, per FactCheck, Politico, and MSNBC, but the specific number is still unclear. To my understanding, there is another million or two votes left to be counted so this might be best to wait on and to update when AP does. That or we get an agreement to switch from AP if they are behind on reporting. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, why are we sticking with AP when more reputable sources (CBS, Cook, NBC) have more current data and different percentages. It is clear Donald is down to 49.8% Hans100 (talk) 05:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe there was a consensus in the past to use AP for the infobox. If there is support for switching to a new method, then we don't need to stick with the AP. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

The AP is a reputable source. All the sources will catch up and report the same final numbers in due time. AP is not intentionally fudging the numbers to tick you off. Bjoh249 (talk) 13:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It seems WP:UNDUE to rely on one source, unless AP was somehow more accurate than the other sources (but this does not seem to be the case). The other sources are reputable too, AP may have a better reputation because they have been around for a long time, not necessarily more accurate though. Prcc27 (talk) 16:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I do not recall using the words 'ticked off' nor 'intentionally fudging' in any way Bjoh249 and hope that you will avoid any additional claims like that. I have answered Hans100's question about why we are sticking with AP at this time. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

77,237,942+74,946,837=152,184,779

77,237,942/152,184,779=50.7%

Donald Trump won the popular vote.

simple math 2600:6C56:9D40:86:A9CC:8491:447A:24F4 (talk) 03:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Don't forget the people who voted for Jill Stein.84.54.70.113 (talk) 09:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hum, hadn’t thought of that. Thanks for pointing that out. 2600:6C56:9D40:86:6D1C:FE38:1CD9:691F (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Of the 60 articles on US presidential elections, 57 round the vote percentage to the nearest tenth, two to the nearest hundredth (1880 and 1960) because of the closeness of the vote between the two candidates, and one (1840) to the nearest hundredth for unknown reasons. Topcat777 18:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Based of that then we should round to the nearest tenth and not hundredth, unless it quite close. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 18:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree, we should be rounding to the nearest tenth as is standard. And it seems that using AP is the standard too, but it's concerning to see them so far behind in counting the numbers. However, I'm sure they will eventually catch up with every other outlet in properly reporting the percentage as 49.9% for Trump and 48.3% for Harris. We should maintain patience. Bobtinin (talk) 18:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Correct, we should not be in too much of a hurry, we are not a news source, we are an encyclopedia. User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

We can use the CNN totals and do our own rounding. We do not need to stick with AP for that reason. Prcc27 (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

The AP count has been used since election day. It's more reliable than CNN. Topcat777 02:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

AP really does seem to be out of whack with everyone else, as it stand today 28th Nov: AP: T: 76.9M H-74.4M While NBC has T: 77.1M H-74.6M What really really weird is Al Jazeera is out but a country mile and much larger margin for both: IE Trump is 50.01% - 77,858,191 ( which looks to be 78M shortly) and Harris: 75,247,873 -48.33% https://www.aljazeera.com/us-election-2024/ Can anyone explain that and why AP is still being used when there not keeping up today, Does look like when all is said and done Trump will be 50%.... ; --Crazyseiko (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, I am unsure. How the process should work is by getting the vote totals from election officials and adding them up. Based on LV's comment from almost three days ago to yours, that is AP's counts adding roughly 0.1M to both Harris and Trump and NBC's counts roughly adding 0.2M to Trump and 0.1M to Harris. The numbers I am seeing are: AP: 74,441,440 votes to 76,916,902 votes (48.4% to 50%); ABC+CBS+CNN+NBC: 74,666,439 votes to 77,100,099 votes (All, but ABC: 48.3% to 49.9%; ABC: No percents). I did take a peak at Fox News and they have the same as AP, which makes sense given that they use AP VoteCast with AP while the networks including CNN use National Election Pool.

Al Jazeera doesn't make sense when they claim their source is AP. Their results are at 75,247,947 votes to 77,858,299 votes. (48.33% to 50.01%) This is well off of AP. And to try to round out this analysis, DDHQ is at 74,722,181 votes to 77,137,509 votes with no percents. So by the two combined, you have 151,358,342 votes reported by AP VoteCast; 151,766,538 votes reported for National Election Pool (+408,196); 153,106,246 votes reported for Al Jazeera (+1,747,904); and DDHQ votes reported at 151,859,690 (+501,348). --Super Goku V (talk) 03:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC) (Fixed at 06:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC))

Normally, tiny percentage differences do not matter and are barely worth discussing. In this case, the question of whether or not Trump got a plurality or a majority of the popular vote is much more significant. After all, terms like "landslide" and "mandate" have been tossed around. Cullen328 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

True, but I did include the percents so that it is easier to compare changes on a day to week basis given this discussion. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC) (Fixed at 06:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC))

With this election, it is better to be as specific as possible with the infobox. Once the counts are done we should put in the correct number. It is already down to 49.83%, so it would be rounded to 49.8% at this point. It is strange that Harris' numbers are listed at 48.4% but Trump's numbers are still listed at 50%. BootsED (talk) 03:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

New York magazine is a left wing magazine. Bringing up Trump’s margin and comparing it to past elections in the lead sounds biased. It’s clear you are a disgruntled Harris voter trying to use this article to try to make yourself feel better about the results. This isn’t the place, This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. Bjoh249 (talk) 06:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. LV ^{✉ ✎} 06:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

100% agree. Can people just wait until we get the final results instead of trying to force a result that isn't even final because you sympathize with the losing side? Grifspdax (talk) 08:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Third party candidates and independents received approximately 1.5% of the vote, so that isn't strange. The strange part is why AP-VC and NEP are at different numbers. But it isn't clear which is more accurate. For all we know, NEP has a small mistake in their numbers and that is why their count is higher. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Now that AP has updated to the certified results in Ohio and Virginia, it is much closer to the other reliable sources listed above. I suspect that updates in Miss. and Mass. will nearly close the remaining gap. Patience is a virtue. --Spiffy sperry (talk) 16:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be something wrong with the AP source we are using. Is the page no longer live and not being updated? This NPR article was just released that says the AP has only called 96% of the race, not the 99.9% currently listed and is at 49.97% and not 50%. It also lists The U.S. Election Atlas as putting Trump's totals at 49.78%, which puts it much closer to what other sources are already saying. BootsED (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Although that article from NPR is clearly a liberal biased article trying to take jabs at Trump, I can’t help but wonder if their claim about the vote count being at 96% may be right. Nobody has sourced the vote counter in the wiki article which is supposedly from the AP. I still lean towards the AP being right because counting should be mostly over by now as states are now certifying their results, but I would like to see the vote count percentage on the wiki article sourced. Bjoh249 (talk) 22:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Are we close to all votes being counted & certified? GoodDay (talk) 22:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

CA, IL, IN, NY, OR & WV are either not done counting or have not released certified 2024 results online (that I've seen so far), yet. The deadlines still to come for certification go all the way thru the 12th of this month. Guy1890 (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Illinois is supposed to certify election results tomorrow and California on Saturday. Keeping an eye on those states (especially California). 107.204.246.18 (talk) 03:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

IL is now done certifying their results. Guy1890 (talk) 18:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

California was supposed to be done today. Bjoh249 (talk) 16:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

And today hasn't ended yet. They have until 07:59 UTC if my math is right. --Super Goku V (talk) 21:04, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

FWIW - we're still waiting on CA, OR & WV to certify their results. Guy1890 (talk) 19:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, the California vote is set to be certified tomorrow. There shouldn’t be anymore counting. Oregon was supposed to have it done two days ago. There shouldn’t be anymore counting anywhere now. Bjoh249 (talk) 20:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Have we got 100% of the vote, yet? GoodDay (talk) 02:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

All states (except maybe WV?) have certified their results. Guy1890 (talk) 03:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the percentage bar from the infobox. AFAIK, there'll be no more popular votes to count. GoodDay (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I finally got a hold of a WV official result, and that has been added to the state table - it just added less than 200 votes for "other" candidates, so I updated the grand totals at the end of the table for that as well. Guy1890 (talk) 22:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

If that does indeed complete the count, then perhaps someone now reconcile the discrepancies I mentioned way down near the bottom of this Talk page:

(A) the information box at the top shows Trump with 77,269,255 (49.9%) and Harris with 74,983,555 (48.4%)

(B) the fifth paragraph of the lead says that Trump has "a plurality of 49.8%"

(C) the box at the top of Results section shows Trump with 77,302,169 (49.74%), Harris with 75,015,834 (48.27%), Stein with 861,141 (0.55%), Kennedy with 756,377 (0.49%), Oliver with 650,142 (0.42%), and Other with 833,975 (0.54%), for a total of 155,419,638

(D) the Total line in the Results by State table shows Trump with 77,302,170 (49.8%), Harris with 75,015,837 (48.3%), Stein with 860,142 (0.6%), Kennedy with 756,377 (0.5%), Oliver with 650,142 (0.4%), and Others with 619,233 (0.4%), for a total of 155,206,823

That is: the state table has a total with 212,815 fewer votes than the top Results box, and this is based mostly on "Other(s)" having 214,742 fewer votes in the state table than in that box. (Based on copying the Results by State table to an Excel spreadsheet, I think there are also some small math errors in the table here: see the columns for Jill Stein (short by 85) and for Others (short by 2,939) and the row for Utah (over by 33). Is a formula here skipping one or more cells?)

That top box in Results here sources its totals to "The Green Papers" (which does seem to be a treasure trove of useful information), but apparently hasn't been updated here since Dec. 2. Checking that Green Papers source now (Dec. 17), I see a total of 155,627,481, i.e., 207,843 more votes than on the Results box and 420,658 more votes than in this article's Results by State table. Here's how that breaks down by state between this article's table ("Wiki") and The Green Papers ("TGP"), with the differences shown indicating the shortfall (it's a shortfall in all but one case) in this article's table:

Colorado: 3,190,873 (Wiki) vs. 3,192,745 (TGP) = -1,872

Delaware: 511,697 (Wiki) vs. 512,912 (TGP) = -1,215

District of Columbia: 325,869 (Wiki) vs. 328,404 (TGP) = -2,535

Georgia: 5,250,047 (Wiki) vs. 5,250,905 (TGP) = -858

Hawaii: 516,701 (Wiki) vs. 522,236 (TGP) = -5,535

Idaho: 904,812 (Wiki) vs. 917,466 (TGP) = -12,654

Iowa: 1,663,506 (Wiki) vs. 1,674,011 (TGP) = -10,505

Maine: 830,989 (Wiki) vs. 842,447 (TGP) = -11,458

Massachusetts: 3,473,653 (Wiki) vs. 3,512,866 (TGP) = -39,212

Minnesota: 3,253,920 (Wiki) vs. 3,254,890 (TGP) = -970

Montana: 602,984 (Wiki) vs. 602,990 (TGP) = -6

New Hampshire: 826,189 (Wiki) vs. 831,033 (TGP) = -4,844

New York: 8,262,495 (Wiki) vs. 8,380,458 (TGP) = -117,963

North Carolina: 5,699,145 (Wiki) vs. 5,699,156 (TGP) = -11

Utah: 1,488,043 (Wiki) vs. 1,693,398 (TGP) = -205,355

Vermont: 369,422 (Wiki) vs. 372,885 (TGP) = -3,463

West Virginia: 762,584 (Wiki) vs. 762,575 (TGP) = +9

Wyoming: 269,048 (Wiki) vs. 271,123 (TGP) = -2,075

The one exception is West Virginia, which you note you just updated today. By comparison to the Certificate of Ascertainment from West Virginia which is the source for that line in this article's table, it turns out the reason that The Green Papers has 9 fewer votes than shown here is that it doesn't include the votes of five candidates who each received fewer than 10 votes. So Wikipedia was more accurate than The Green Papers for West Virginia.

But what about the other states? The biggest discrepancy is Utah, so I'm checking that one first. Here it seems The Green Papers has a significant error. I've written to that site to suggest a correction, so it may be fixed by the time I finish typing this. The Green Papers shows 204,904 in Invalid Write-In votes in Utah (votes for people who were not registered in advance as write-in candidates), but the state's canvas indicates that The Green Papers added a zero, and the correct number of such votes is 24,904:

https://vote.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/42/2024/11/2024-General-Election-Statewide-Canvass.pdf

On the other hand, that state page (1) doesn't include those 24,904 votes in its total votes cast and (2) also doesn't include anything to the right of the column showing 33 votes for candidate Steve M. Johnson: it's missing the 1 vote for Andre R. McNeil, the 441 votes for Peter Sonski, and the 9 votes for "Future Madam Potus." The state seems to have cut off the sum function on the Excel table on which that pdf is based (a table which, in contrast to the 2020 results, is not available online) so that it didn't count the last five columns. Accordingly, Utah's correct totals should be as shown on Wikipedia for Trump, Harris, Stein, Kennedy, and Oliver (all of which match the state's totals) but the number for Utah in the Others column should be increased from 16,502 to 41,890 as the sum of the following:

24,904 -- Invalid Write-In

8,402 -- Joel Skousen

3,189 -- Claudia de la Cruz

2,653 -- Lucifer J. Everylove

2,199 -- Cornel R. West

441 -- Peter Sonski

59 -- Jay J. Bowman

33 -- Steve M. Johnson

9 -- Future M. Potus

1 - Andre R. McNeil

Most of the invalid write-in votes in Utah were presumably for RFK Jr., who was not on the ballot there.

That brings Utah's total to 1,513,398.

I'm going to pause here before looking into New York, Massachusetts, Idaho, Maine, Iowa, and the other states whose totals on the state table here differ from The Green Pages. NME Frigate (talk) 01:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I have gone through from District of Columbia to Iowa. Here is what I found.

The District of Columbia delta is solely related to 2,535 combined overvotes and blank votes.

The Georgia delta is solely related to the 858 write-ins.

The Hawaii delta is solely related to 5,535 combined overvotes and blank votes.

The Iowa delta is solely related to 10,505 overvotes and blank votes.

The Idaho delta is mostly overvotes and blank votes. The Wiki numbers also omit 245 write-ins. Wilkyisdashiznit (talk) 06:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Welp. The Certificate of Ascertainment submitted by Utah simply omits those 24,904 "invalid write-in" votes altogether. Should that fact at least get a footnote? NME Frigate (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

OK, briefly on New York: the difference between the Green Papers total of 8,380,458 and the total of 8,262,495 on the state table here is that The Green Papers includes 71,559 blank ballots (which obviously should not be counted) and 46,404 "void" ballots. The latter probably consists mostly of disallowed write-in votes for RFK Jr. and some other candidates, but some could be simply illegible. That number seems large enough to merit a note of some sort here. NME Frigate (talk) 02:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

And finally, it's clear from checking Massachusetts that the approximate difference of 39,000 votes between The Green Papers and this article's state totals is that The Green Papers listed 39,262 "blank" ballots. NME Frigate (talk) 02:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• The results in the state-by-state table aren't calculated at all by some script - they have been placed there by someone (mostly me, but a few other people as well). Anyone can change them, if they have a valid source for an updated number. Like I've said before, the National Archives will likely be the best clearinghouse for official 2024 state results. The table here uses that link as a reference in a few spots already. I dunno why you're comparing results with the Green Papers (that's a source I haven't heard of in years - didn't know they were still around even), and I lot of the discrepancies that you've noted can likely come down to how the various states have treated "blank votes" (which aren't votes) or write-in/also-rans which had little to do with the outcomes of those elections. When the states report their official results, they have to account for all votes, while many secondary sources don't tend to care about that kind of minutiae. I do remember the (current?) state source for results in MA treating blank ballots in an odd way. Guy1890 (talk) 17:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  If your question is directed at me (I can't tell), then the reason that I was comparing the state table to The Green Papers is that this article itself already linked to The Green Papers as the source for the information in the top box of the Results section. I was suggesting that someone who has the ability to edit here (this article shows for me as locked) make those numbers consistent. Right now, for example, the state table says that Donald Trump received 49.8% of the vote but the Results box says that he received 49.74% of the vote. (And the information box at the top of the article says that he received 49.9%.)

  As for the disallowed write-ins, I agree that they won't change any outcome, but I wonder how to account for them when reporting the national popular vote, especially when there are so many. The "invalid write-in" votes from Utah and the "void" write-in votes from New York add up to more than 70,000 votes overall. If someone checks this article to learn how many votes were cast for president nationally in 2024, is that 155,206,823 as currently shown in the state table? Or is the "correct" number closer to 155,277,000? NME Frigate (talk) 18:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there any actual reliable source for the national popular vote numbers? The current listed source is the AP, but all I can find on there is vote totals for Trump and Harris and percentages, but nowhere does it list how many 'other' votes there are or the total number of votes cast, so we can do an actual calculation of the percentage ourselves. Bomberswarm2 (talk) 09:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Recent article vote numbers errors

So, the only thing that appears to be wrong in the Maine election totals are the "Other" (Cornel West + other write-ins) Congressional District (there are two of them) numbers - the statewide total for "Others" is correct though. It was a lot of work to derive those Congressional District numbers in the first place from the State's excel spreadsheet results, and I'm not going through all that math again.

In the future, if you change any of the state election numbers, please update the references that you are using for those numbers and remember to update the national numbers at the bottom of the chart. I'm out...you guys can have fun figuring all this out. Guy1890 (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The Indiana numbers for Harris were wrong by 10.000 votes, because they made a typo on the Indiana certificate. The certificates can be wrong too. The CT and RI certificates are wrong too and don't reflect the actual official results as posted on the state websites. Glasperlenspieler (talk) 04:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Legally, the Certificates of Ascertainment on file at the National Archives are the official results for the candidates listed. If the results from Connecticut, Indiana, and Rhode Island are indeed wrong, they will have to update the National Archives.

But, if you want to use different numbers from the National Archives, do what you want. Wilkyisdashiznit (talk) 07:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I would add that the Indiana numbers submitted to the National Archives diverge from the numbers posted on the Indiana website in several respects besides just the 10,000-vote divergence. And the numbers submitted to the National Archives are the most recent numbers from the State of Indiana. Wilkyisdashiznit (talk) 08:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The Indiana certificate is 100% wrong and a typo with Harris, because they made a typo on the certificate, switching the 6 with a 5, resulting that Harris got exactly 10.000 votes less than in the official results in the Indiana official results website. The certificates of the states should be the final official results, but how can they be if the states can't even get this right ... ? Does nobody check these certificates before they are signed and sent to Washington ? I hope they send a new IN certificate to Washington, which corrects this typo. Glasperlenspieler (talk) 12:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting. I was hoping that I got the "Other" numbers correct, since Maine did not split all of their numbers out by district, but I apparently made a mistake. My apologies. Wilkyisdashiznit (talk) 07:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Is the popular vote count in the article final? I noticed Illinois is at 99% counted (the only state not 100) which makes me wonder if Dicky and JB are up to something.Bjoh249 (talk) 09:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2024

On the "Results by state" table, please change the Indiana state total for Harris/Walz from 1,153,603 to 1,163,603. Seems like the National Archive filing has an error. Alternative source is: https://enr.indianavoters.in.gov/site/index.html and also https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/indiana/?r=0. AmirTheBosnian (talk) 17:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, the question is: does the Indiana certificate have a typo ? Or the Indiana results website ? It's likely that the certificate is fraudulent, not the website. But I am not completely sure. Glasperlenspieler (talk) 18:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Considering that Connecticut and Rhode Island also have incorrect values on their certificates and the table displays the results from the respective states election results website, it seems like it would be fine to take the results from the states websites. AmirTheBosnian (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)