Talk:2024 Masters (snooker)

"Incidents" with wasps and Ronnie's comments

There have been some controversies around the venue, with multiple incidents with wasps and other insects interrupting play. There are multiple news report on it: [7][8][9] (and tabloids: [10][11]), we also cited this one [12] in the article. Ronnie O'Sullivan also made some controversial comments about the venue: [13][14][15], and apparently Shaun Murphy hit back: [16] Should we add a "controversies" section, or something similar, or include these at all? AmethystZhou (talk) 07:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Some of it is fine durjng the summary. Ignore the tabloids as non-RS though. I think the issues with the venue by O'Sullivan is WP:ROUTINE at this point as he hates EVERY venue. I think things like the century with the wasp and the medical emergencies during the semi-final is good. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Final head-to-head.

so, I did a bit of looking around and it seems like there is a LOT of different values. The most consistent is actually 22-3, but Eurosport is stating 18-1, whilst BBC and WST it's 17-1.

There is some leeway there, because some are including matches as Power Snooker, some are not mentioning the "amatuer" matches, and some don't count the walkover they had. I think we should probably have a note to this respect as to why we can't be sure, because it's certainly not a single win to Carter. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

You are right. Ali has beaten Ronnie twice in the Championship League. It would probably be better just to say that Ronnie has a big advantage over Ali in their previous meetings, or something like that.  Alan  (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I edited the text to clarify it's only one win in best-of-7s or more. It seems the lower numbers from Eurosport and BBC are also from not counting the Championship League matches. AmethystZhou (talk) 15:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure how they made that number, it's weird that they're happy to claim other tournaments, but not the championship league. Maybe they just mean ranking events - but this isn't one either. Bizarre. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes - I just saw that. But I don't like "more than a dozen" much.  Alan  (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

This is just journalists extracting something from cuetracker or snooker.org or whatever, without any idea where the numbers comes from. Given that we've never any consensus here about the importance of "non-ranking" events it seems to me that we shouldn't be using this sort of information. If it was just the Masters or ranking events it would be a different issue. Delete it, is my advice, just a WP:CANOFWORMS. Nigej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. When I included it, I thought the value was correct (the BBC and WST wouldn't lie to us?!?). To me it sounds like they've found the worst possible statistic for sensationalism. Perhaps the wording should be "of the 25 professional matches they've had, Carter has won only three," and have a note explaining the sources differ wildly. Even the best statistic is still wildly in O'Sullivan's favour, and the media have mentioned this quite heavily. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Numbers

Hi @AlH42, @Lee Vilenski has been noting that there are inconsistencies with numbers. A MOS states that if numbers are in numerals, then all the other nearby numbers should be in numerals as well. So I think "There have been 25 century breaks made during the tournament so far, including 2 maximum breaks, by Ding Junhui in the 1st round..." is correct. HurricaneHiggins (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

See discussion on my talk page for more! HurricaneHiggins (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Note ... ordinal numbers should remain first, second, etc. Not sure what to do when these conflict with 50th, 14th, etc. HurricaneHiggins (talk) 15:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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• ... that after winning the 2024 Masters, Ronnie O'Sullivan was both the youngest and oldest Masters winner?
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  • Comment: Should be expanded to 5x, or will be by review time. Do I need to do one QPQ or is it two now?

5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk), HurricaneHiggins (talk), and AmethystZhou (talk). Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk) at 23:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2024 Masters (snooker); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• To answer your question, the two-QPQs-needed thing has not been activated (and in fact has never been so) so only QPQ is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Cheers. I'll do one in a mo. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
• Another excellent snooker-related article as usual. Everything checks out (5x expansion done, sources look good, no overt signs of copyvio, QPQ done, &c.), although I'd much prefer if the hook read "... became both the youngest and oldest..." Cheers, KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 16:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Nominator: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 23:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Alavense (talk · contribs) 10:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article. Here are some comments:

Prize money

• The season already ended, so note b should be reworded. "during that season's Triple Crown events would have been rewarded" or anything along those lines.
  • indeed, I've changed the tense. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

First round

• Zhang closed to 4‍–‍2 - Wouldn't it make more sense to write the scores from the perspective of the player ("closed to 2‍–‍4")? That's the way it was done in the image captions as well.
  • you are correct, that's the right way to do it. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• In consecutive paragraphs, I see "eighth and ninth" and "8th". What's the logic behind this?
  • no reasons, I've made it consistent. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• 9 years - This should be spelled out in words.
  • Sure, done. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Quarter-finals

• in the 4th frame and took the fifth frame - Inconsistent again.
  • fixed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Why is Allen's quote on the maximum at the end of that para? I reckon that info should be stated immediately after the information about the overseas players making maximums.
  • my thoughts on this is that it's chronology. The statements happen after the match, so we should have them after we finish talking about the match. Maybe we should move the info about the maximum (other than it being scored) to after the match info is finished.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-finals

• Link BBC.
  • done Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Final

• Maybe, in note c, better to say that "Eurosport lists"?
  • Sure. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• eighth Masters title and 23rd Triple Crown title - This wording can be found three times throughout the article. I'm not really sure if this applies: "Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures, even if one of the numbers would normally be written differently".
  • changed Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• He already held the record as the youngest winner at the Masters - I think it's better to say O'Sullivan instead of "he" there.
  • Sure Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• O'Sullivan announced that would take two months away from the sport - I think a "he" is missing.
  • Added. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Tournament draw

• The table for the final should use {{nbnd}} as well instead of {{ndash}}.
  • I don't create these tables. I don't know if it's supposed to be ndash or not. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Controversies

• first round match and quarter final match both need hyphens.
  • I don't think they do for first round match. I'm pretty sure that's a style guide that is inconsistent worldwide. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• O'Sullivan, who is involved in a disciplinary dispute with the sport's governing body, the WPBSA, is being reviewed by the World Snooker Tour for the outburst - Does this still hold true? Has anything changed since then?
  • I've not heard anything. I would assume we would have heard something if it had been resolved or dropped. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Century breaks

• the first by Ding Junhui in the opening round, and secondly by Mark Allen in the quarter-finals - I find that "secondly" a bit weird. Maybe just "the second"?
  • changed Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Sources

• Do either 79 or 87 really source those remarks made by O'Sullivan? I can't really find the quote there. I think this is the correct link for the BBC.
  • so, it's a really annoying thing that sport's pages do, they rewrite their info. You can see it in the archive [17]. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• surpassing Bingham, who won the 2020 event aged 43 years and 243 days - Which one is the reference for this stat?
  • Added a ref for this. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:44, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• In the last para of the final, the sources state that Davis, Hendry and Williams won the Triple Crown events in the same season, but they don't support when they did it. I think it would be good to find a source for that.
  • moved the sky sports article where it's specifically mentioned. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Images

• "(pictured)" would actually not be necessary, given that it is pretty obvious. None of the images were taken during the event, so it would be nice to add the year: "(pictured in 2014)".
• I guess it's not amongst the criteria for good articles, but alternative text could be provided for images.
• Aged 48 years and 40 days, he became the oldest Masters winner as well as the youngest - That wording would suggest that he became both things at the same time. I suggest an alternative wording.
  • changed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

That's all I got. Thanks in advance for your responses, Lee Vilenski and AmethystZhou. Kind regards. Alavense (talk) 10:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been on a break for health reasons. I'll get some time to do this soon. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I hope you are feeling better, Lee Vilenski. Take your time to reply to these. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 15:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Alavense, thanks for being so patient. I think I've covered the above. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:17, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the amendments. I think the article meets the criteria, so I'll be passing it. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 14:24, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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