Talk:2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement

References in English

As of now, most of the sources referenced is in Bengali as it was translated from the article in Bangla Wikipedia; but it would be probably better if these sources are in English. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

New section

@Wiki N Islam:, @Bruno pnm ars:, @Zeeshan Y Tariq:, @Uss157: and @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন: The article should have a "Reaction" section about who and what organisations supported and unsupported the movement. The section should also include the reaction of the foreign world and the foreign publications. Mehedi Abedin 06:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

If anyone of the editors mentioned has reliable sources, then feel free to add with the reference provided. But, remember to always use an unbiased and neutral point of view on the matter, Thank you. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 07:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I totally agree. This article must include which political parities are behind this protest. 2001:56A:7C00:AF00:A42B:E5FC:CFAB:C10C (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

@Mehedi Abedin, @Bruno pnm ars, @Zeeshan Y Tariq, @Uss157, @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন please can anyone add this article for nomination in the Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates, after all it's a recent event widely reported in the international media. It would be helpful in the development & update of this article. Wiki N Islam (talk) 11:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wiki N Islam It was shown in the news in 15 July I guess. But if you want to nominate it for second time then I guess people like @Nokib Sarkar: can help you on it who is more interested in the topic. Mehedi Abedin 12:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Also pinging @Zkabirkhan: @Halcyon009: @Lahsim Niasoh: @Raiyan Kazi: @Rishad Ahmed747: @GucciNuzayer: @Mollathevalor: for further help. I think we need to discuss here before making big changes on the article because it is a recent ongoing event and sensitive topic. We should work together so that people can find reliable information from the page with no WP:POV and we should edit the article in such a way so that the page doesn't bring any unwanted consequences. Mehedi Abedin 12:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, I am going to propose the page for protection to prevent any disruptive editing. Mehedi Abedin 12:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I think we need to add separate section for the Martyr in this movement, based on the online sources what all of you think Zkabirkhan (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@Zkabirkhan Add under "Casualties and losses" section created in the article. Mehedi Abedin 14:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree to proposing the page for protection. I would also try my best to make sure this page is written using proper English and ensure impartiality/neutrality. GucciNuzayer (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Shall we mention the names of those who were arrested after the funeral today or not? Zkabirkhan (talk) 11:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope. Sharpnife (talk) 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mehedi Abedin The article was never shown on the front page as ITN. So, I think it is time we should propose for the ITN with the following blurb: "6000 injuries and 12 deaths confirmed during the ongoing quota reform movement in Bangladesh." Nokib Sarkar ^knock 13:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I am so sorry for the lack of internet I was unable to contribute. But I think the article needs correction. The metro station was not only closed for the students' protetest but also because of fire I have too much limitations in my internet connection so I am only able to reply please make the correction here is the source https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangladesh/transport/news/fire-incident-near-mirpur-10-station-disrupts-metro-rail-service-3659636 @Mehedi Abedin@GucciNuzayer@Nokib Sarkar@Sharpnife@Wiki N Islam Zkabirkhan (talk) 12:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

same here. Although the internet's restored, i can barely make any edits because of the slow internet speed. Sharpnife (talk) 08:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Added. Wiki N Islam (talk) 10:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

The result option in the Infobox isn't showing. Can you please help me here?? It contains the Supreme Court rulling. Wiki N Islam (talk) 10:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I think someone removed it to make the article one sided we have to be careful about them to make this article neutral. Zkabirkhan (talk) 10:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Result is needed when status is solved (now status is ongoing). Removing status option from the infobox will show the result data in the infobox. I checked it. @Wiki N Islam Lahsim Niasoh (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Help

Injuries option is not showing in the Infobox. Please someone rectify it. Wiki N Islam (talk) 16:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Same here. Mehedi Abedin 16:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Should we include the dead Chhatra Dal activist with the number of dead protesters?? Wiki N Islam (talk) 09:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

There is an article on Wikipedia about Mir Mahfuzur Rahman Mugdho. Could someone please translate it into English so we can add his name to the article? (User talk:Zkabirkhan) 07:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zkabirkhan Already added. you can see Mir Mahfuzur Rahman Mugdho. Lahsim Niasoh (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

the slogans

@Mehedi Abedin @Bruno pnm ars @Zeeshan Y Tariq @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন @Wiki N Islam

Guys, there is a conflict in the controversy section, the protestors used the word "shoirochar" and not "shorkar" also it was "chaite gelam",not "cheyechhilam". Im bringing it up because the change was undone more than once and also there are sources attached. If the slogans were otherwise please discuss here before making a change. Thank You. Uss157 (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@Uss157 Looks like the slogans have multiple versions and they are creating confusions. Mehedi Abedin 19:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@Uss157@Mehedi Abedin Yes, slogans are indeed multiple versions in different sources. I think the best would be add a footnote about versions.Nokib Sarkar ^knock 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Should we remove "Bangla Blockade" from the beginning, after all the current phrase isn't Bangla Blockade at all. It was the initial phrase when protesters called for a demonstration in Shahbagh. The introductory section also writes about it later. So I think no need to keep the phrase "dubbed as Bangla Blockade by the protesters". Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wiki N Islam We can write about Bangla Blockade in the suitable section and remove that from the top. Mehedi Abedin 07:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Copyright issues

I request all editor not to use images from websites or others. Wikipedia strictly maintain copyright rules and photos from your own camera and phone and also photos under CC4 licenses can be used here. Also notice if your writings match with the sources because that would be copyright infringement too. Always write in your own words so that we can see the differences between writing styles. Mehedi Abedin 09:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

The Timeline Section Needs Cleanup

The section contains too much intricate details and needs Cleanup. Sharpnife (talk) 11:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I think we can create a new article from it named Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement and replace the section with a new section "Movement" (which will summarize the timeline section) if it gets longer in future. But its not the time yet, but I think we have to do it in near future. Need other user's comment on this proposal. Mehedi Abedin 12:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal

Replace the timeline section with "Movement" which will summarize the timeline and make another article named Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement from the section.

Questions to consider

• Is this proposal justified?
• If yes, then how many days after the proposal we can execute it?

Comments

• (as the proposer) Yes, it is justified and we can do it after the timeline section reaches at least two weeks. Mehedi Abedin 12:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Mehedi Abedin Support Sharpnife (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support for a new article & keeping the section's current name will be better than renaming in my opinion. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Wiki N Islam After how many days the timeline reaches? Mehedi Abedin 13:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  I think one week will be better because it already has become too long. Wiki N Islam (talk) 13:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• I agree with you on creating a new article about "Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement". Lahsim Niasoh (talk) 13:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• I agree Md Joni Hossain (talk) 13:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Disagree I think we should create a draft page first, then write the details of the movement and the situation of everyday across the country. Once it reach to the utmost amount of deailts available (till 17 July), then we should move it to main article. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 14:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Agree for one week. বাগানবিলাস (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support: We should wait for atleast for 10 to 15 days. Uss157 (talk) 14:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• I disagree. People can face problems to find it because people dose not want to give much effort. This is called The Law of Least Effort, also known as the Principle of Least Effort, is often attributed to several fields and thinkers. In linguistics, it was formulated by the French linguist André Martinet. In psychology, the concept is associated with George Zipf, who applied it to human behavior and language in his book "Human Behavior and the Principle of Least Effort" (1949). The principle suggests that people will naturally gravitate towards paths, actions, or behaviors that require the least amount of effort or resistance. But if most of you are agreed I can do nothing Zkabirkhan (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Zkabirkhan Well that make sense but according to Wikipedia guidlines and for better readability we need to make the page shorter (but not so shorter). Mehedi Abedin 14:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  That is my point of view only Zkabirkhan (talk) 14:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Mehedi Abedin@Zkabirkhan I think we can keep the key points here and move all the details on new page. বাগানবিলাস (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Linking website in infobox

@Redwiat: I notice that you re-added the link to the website of the protest movement in the infobox, which I previously removed. I don't think there is any need to place it there, but do you think there is a good reason to do so? Gödel2200 (talk) 00:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gödel2200 i would say no. it doesn't seem to be relevant Sharpnife (talk) 00:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I re-added the link to the website of the protest movement in the infobox because it serves several important purposes: Redwiat (talk) 05:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I re-added the link to the website of the protest movement in the infobox because it serves as a non-profit source of up-to-date information directly from the activists and supporters involved. The website provides comprehensive coverage, including news updates, a picture gallery, videos, and important information for activists and supporters, which can be valuable for those seeking detailed and current insights about the movement. Additionally, it offers resources like the contact form and blood donation helpline that are crucial for aiding injured protesters. Including this link in the infobox ensures that readers have easy access to an authoritative and relevant source directly related to the subject of the article. I believe this enhances the quality and depth of information available to Wikipedia users. Redwiat (talk) 08:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Redwiat: But the website is absolutely not an independent source, so we should not be using it for any information about the protests. Things like a link to a donation helpline are not at all relevant to information required on an encyclopedia. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I understand your concern about the website's independence, but allow me to explain why I believe it should be included. While Wikipedia typically favors independent sources for factual information, the protest movement's website serves a crucial role as a primary source directly from those involved. This provides readers with real-time updates and firsthand accounts, which are often not immediately accessible through traditional media sources.

The website offers comprehensive coverage, including news updates, visuals, and essential resources like the blood donation helpline, which directly support the movement's efforts. These aspects are relevant because they provide contextual understanding and practical support information for readers interested in the current state of the protests.

Including the link in the infobox ensures transparency and accessibility to this primary source of information, enhancing the article's relevance and immediacy for users seeking detailed insights directly from the movement's perspective. This complements the encyclopedia's goal of providing comprehensive and current information on significant topics.

I hope this clarifies why I believe the inclusion of the website link is beneficial for the article. Let's ensure the content remains informative and relevant while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines. Redwiat (talk) 13:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Including the link in the infobox ensures transparency and accessibility to this primary source of information, enhancing the article's relevance and immediacy for users seeking detailed insights directly from the movement's perspective. Please read WP:NIS. If we use this website to cite any information at all, we must explicitly say "According to this organization...", and we cannot simply use it to cite statements without saying what the organization is. But the link has no place in the infobox; see for example the Black Lives Matter page. The link is instead placed in the "External links" section, which is where the link to the movements page should be placed on this article as well. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

not sure if this link can be used :

https://shohid.info/ 100.15.223.118 (talk) 06:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Synthesis

The infobox currently claims 45 protesters have died, and ~9000+ have been injured. It cites these statements with a massive amount of sources, none of which explicitly say 45 deaths or ~9000+ injuries, so this seems like SYNTH. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Missing reported

A dedicated section for missing people 100.15.223.118 (talk) 05:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Flags

whoever remove the flag in infobox..... please stop doing that... i spend so much time adding these flags and let readers see the organisations'/parties' flags just like in 2024 Bolivian Coup Foxy Husky (talk) 06:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Name of the organization

@Bruno pnm ars, @Lahsim Niasoh, @Zkabirkhan@Nokib Sarkar What's the English name of the organization? "Anti-discrimination Students' Movement" or "Students Against Discrimination"? Most sources support the latter one. Correct one should be used. Wiki N Islam (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

The organization dosenot have any official English name. Like প্রথম আলো is called Prothom Alo. It can be also mentioned like this. Zkabirkhan (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I have corrected the name "Students Against Discrimination" many times appearing in the article previously, probably they were added from the respective citations. And the name "Anti-discrimination Students' Movement" was set by me in the early stage cause then most of the citations mentioning the organization's name were copied from Bengali article and lacked any English translation. The article only used the name Boishomyobirodhi Chhatro Andolon then, and I thought to translate "Anti-discrimination Students' Movement" for this Bangla name. But now this seems "self-established" to myself. Wiki N Islam (talk) 16:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Ending date of phase 2

@Addo Adwin didnt phase 2 ended like 22 july since Anti-discrimination Students' Movement organisation annoucned they suspended on that day? Foxy Husky (talk) 12:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Foxy Husky (talk · contribs) One group of 6 detained protest coordinators of Anti-discrimination Students Movement organisation announced withdrawal of all programmes from the DB (police) custody on Sunday (July 28) night, local media reports. But other free protest coordinators declared to continue the protests to achieve 9 points.

https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/home/all-programmes-of-anti-discrimination-student-movement-withdrawn

Addo Adwin (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

ic thxs Foxy Husky (talk) 12:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

speaking of continuous protest.... isnt it ok to extend the phase 2 to present or just go with 3rd phase (status quo)? @Addo Adwin Foxy Husky (talk) 12:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Foxy Husky (talk · contribs) Sure, it's ok. My opinion is to extend the phase 2 to present.Addo Adwin (talk) 12:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

ok but for now we gonna see whether its new chapter of the reform movement because the protesters just started after days of significant inactivity so..... ya gonna go with phase 3 and see how Foxy Husky (talk) 14:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Foxy Husky (talk · contribs) Official ending date of phase 2 is 28. Fight was still going on after 22 July when Bangladaesh compley cut off from internet.Addo Adwin (talk) 14:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

hmmmm.... idk man.... @Wiki N Islam corrected the date stating that the coordinators "suspended their protests on 22 July, not yesterday. All of their coordinators aren't agree that protests ended yesterday."

maybe try cclarifing with him @Addo Adwin Foxy Husky (talk) 14:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It's not official. They are divided in the decision. They had suspended the protests in 22 July. I support the date 22 July, which is their suspension date, or the date 19 July after they sit for negotiations and ended their complete shutdown activity. But not 28 July, it's not correct.

Mentioning others for help

@Bruno pnm ars, @Zkabirkhan Wiki N Islam (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

This group suspended the protests in 28 July from the DB (police) custody not in 22 July.Addo Adwin (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

yes I think it is 28 July and your words are correct Zkabirkhan (talk) 16:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I have already told you that they are divided. The last time they unitedly called for a suspension was 22 July. That day they called for a suspension for 48 hours and then extended it to another 48 hours. Since 28 July, their one group at DB office called for ending the movement, but at this date their other group called for new activities after the suspension since 22. So, the conclusion is the second phase started in 29 July “after the suspensions from 22 July”. The date 28 isn't universally agreed, at least by the platform Anti-discrimination Students' Movement. Wiki N Islam (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

i think for now we gonna keep 22 July as ending phase until or maybe unless the ending date of phase is confirmed Foxy Husky (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree.Addo Adwin (talk) 16:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Discuss before page move

The article is the major topic in Bangladesh and important. It will not be best for us to boldly move the page into any other title. I reverted the recent page move because of WP:NOR, WP:COMMONNAME and Wikipedia:Ambiguous words. If reliable sources call it as massacre then there will be no problem to move the page. We have to maintain Wikipedia guidelines no matter what the reality is or we think because of Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Also, we should consider the present political situation and how we can enrich the article under the present obstacles. Mehedi Abedin 20:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

End of the movement?

I think this movement ended today after the declaration of One point movement. We can seal and finalize this article and expand the new article from the next day. Mehedi Abedin 18:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Wiki N Islam:, @Bruno pnm ars:, @Zeeshan Y Tariq:, @Uss157: and @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন: for the output. Mehedi Abedin 18:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Also pinging @ApurboWiki2024:, @Sharpnife:, @R1F4T: and @Mollathevalor:. Mehedi Abedin 18:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

⁺Support this movement took turn to One point movement. R1F4T (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Support: This movement is not quota related anymore. Wiki N Islam (talk) 18:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Suuport: This is not just a quota movement anymore. ApurboWiki2024 (talk) 18:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mehedi Abedin

• • Support it’s become one point movement. this is no more Quota-related movement.

Gaplow43286 (talk) 01:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not a quota reform protest anymore. It's now become a anti government and pro democratic protest!! Now, We should work on the "One point Movement" page Mollathevalor (talk) 02:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

then in this case can also add aftermath section or something? @Mehedi Abedin Foxy Husky (talk) 12:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Support: Although the changes have been done, i agree on the changes made Uss157 (talk) 14:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment I made edits to the article suggesting that it is ongoing before finding this discussion. However, please do decide clearly because other parts of the article which I have not touched refer to it as ongoing. Borgenland (talk) 15:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

this movement has ended. Some non-Bangladeshi media are calling Non-cooperation movement (2024) as quota movement. Wiki N Islam (talk) 18:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Use as Reference in BD Massacre article

I think this page should be used as reference in List of massacres in Bangladesh and added as a new row. Unanimous350 (talk) 12:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Result: Fully Successful or Partially Successful?

is the movement result in fully success or partially success? because some demands still yet not met because of One Point Movement still ongoing with the goal of government resignment @Wiki N Islam @Mehedi Abedin Foxy Husky (talk) 05:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Merger of Bangladesh quota reform movement and Non-cooperation movement?

ok.... Sheikh Hasina alr resigned and since both quota reform and non-cooperation movements successful in her resignation, maybe can consider merging both together under a new name or keep separate? @Wiki N Islam@Mehedi Abedin@Bruno pnm ars Foxy Husky (talk) 10:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't support. Non-cooperation movement isn't about quota. Both's goal was different. The coordinators said that it's not about quota anymore. Wiki N Islam (talk) 10:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

i see..... guess we gonna keep 'em separate for now then.... Foxy Husky (talk) 10:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

i  Disagree, these are two different movement. One revolving around reforming quota and the other one revolving around resignation of the government. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 12:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

but now that article now 'anti-government protest' maybe consider creating mew page for anti government protest there and add these two there? Foxy Husky (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

It already exists l, Here's the article Bangladesh protests (2022–24) Bruno pnm ars (talk) 14:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

ah... thanks @Bruno pnm ars Foxy Husky (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Not merge, but we can combine these two and other political movement related article and create a new article which will describe anti-government movements. Mehedi Abedin 16:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

but i think Bangladesh protests (2022–2024) alr exist so.... maybe can go edit there for me or nah? @Mehedi Abedin Foxy Husky (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Propose for the creation of new article

Now many newspapers say that there has been an mass uprising Bangladesh (see 1, 2, 3). That's why I am proposing another article named 2024 Mass Uprising in Bangladesh. This article should contain short summary of what happened in 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement, Non-cooperation movement (2024), Long March to Dhaka and Resignation of Sheikh Hasina. That doesn’t mean that we should delete the articles, we will keep the articles. But I think we should create a summarized version of these topics.

I also propose to rename the category Category:2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement to Category:2024 Mass Uprising in Bangladesh as the category not only contain quota reform movement contents anymore. Also I propose to rename List of people killed in Bangladesh quota reform movement to List of people killed in 2024 Mass Uprising in Bangladesh that should contain the list of dead people from all movements we had in this uprising.

I am proposing this because it will be beneficial to document the movements so that in future people can know about it.

Maybe some users will advise to use the article Bangladesh protests (2022–2024), but the reality is Bangladesh protests was a political movement by Bangladesh Nationalist Party. Technically students have no connection with this political movement. What students did was non-political way of overthrowing the Hasina government. So that should be separate from this topic. Mehedi Abedin 23:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wiki N Islam:, @Bruno pnm ars:, @Zeeshan Y Tariq:, @Uss157:, @মোহাম্মদ জনি হোসেন:, @ApurboWiki2024:, @Sharpnife:, @R1F4T:, @Mollathevalor:. Mehedi Abedin 23:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Better option would be to rename Non-cooperation movement (2024) to 2024 Mass Uprising in Bangladesh and treat it as the parent article for all the events from August 4 and onwards. 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement would find its place in the background. Creating new forks everyday will divert the focus from improving the main articles, although you can always split them up if they become too long. Nomian (talk) 01:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Support @Nomian Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Please check out the Bangladesh protests (2022–24) article. It has became a collective for the whole movement, after many edits. I think we should work to update it. Wiki N Islam (talk) 05:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

I will go for renamed the Non-cooperation movement (2024) to 2024 Mass uprising in Bangladesh ApurboWiki2024 (talk) 05:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

 Disagree the protesters alr announced Non-cooperation movement so no.... dont rename that article to mass uprising Foxy Husky (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for edit: list of demands does not match source

I noticed that the article's list of protestors' demands does not match the cited source. Under the nine-point demands, the fifth is listed as "There should be a nationwide ban on student politics in all educational institutions in Bangladesh" that cites an Al Jazeera article which does not say this.

The Al Jazeera article lists the fifth demand as "The police and goons who attacked the students and those who instigated the attacks must be arrested." The closest entry in the Al Jazeera article, listed as the seventh demand, is "Bangladesh Chhatra League [BCL, the pro-government student wing, which is, effectively, the government’s vigilante force] must be banned from student politics and a student union established." https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/7/23/bangladesh-protests-are-no-longer-about-the-quota-system 107.159.2.230 (talk) 22:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Done. Intervex (talk) 20:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

New section "Role of West"

New section regarding role of West and claims by Sheikh Hasina made in May 2024 Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

 Disagree. Hasina’s son Joy himself refuted that her mother made such comments. Source: 1, 2 Bruno pnm ars (talk) 13:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate endings

The article has two sections on what happened after 3 August talking about the same thing basically. Please decide which to remove to avoid redundancy. Borgenland (talk) 18:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Do not reference Indian news sources regarding recent events

WP:NEWSORGINDIA, just about every piece from any Indian news outlet I've seen so far is politically charged against Bangladesh in some form or the other, I'm sure others will agree with me on this

It is a kind request to all to not cite Indian news sources regarding Bangladesh-related articles (including this one) KabirDH (talk) 20:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do not delete any section without reaching a consensus. It does not matter what the personal opinions are. But facts have to be reported. Unless it is proved that Sheikh Hasina had not made these allegations. Further please note that the media outlet that were quoted in this section are listed in WP:NEWSORGINDIA. So please request you to be more circumspect while deleting material. Try to achieve a general consensus before deleting any material. WP:EDITCONSENSUS Sarvagyana guru (talk) 05:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

The fact is: you deliberately added and readded a reference that stated the existence of a fictitious Nobel laureate as fact. That already raises questions about the credibility of whatever it is you are pushing. Borgenland (talk) 09:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

It appears that (Yunus Hasan) was a quote reference to Muhammad Yunus, at least based on the source: ""Nobel laureate Yunus Hasan of Gramin Bank is also based there and is a lobbyist in the US,” sources said."

Nonetheless, anything citing anonymous sources should generally not be cited. Sheikh Hasina's allegations about United States involvement in regime change appear similar to Lettergate (Pakistan) but you would need better [and more indepth] sources about it for inclusion in articles. Gotitbro (talk) 09:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

That is an incorrect citation of the guideline, here is what WP:NEWSORGINDIA (which redirects to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Paid reporting in Indian news organizations) actually says:

Even legitimate Indian news organizations (print, television, and web) intermingle regular news with sponsored content and press release–based write-ups, often with inadequate or no disclosure. This is especially the case in reviews, articles about celebrities, and profiles of persons, companies and entities of borderline notability. This issue is distinct from that of journalism quality and bias, and that of sham news-style websites.

It is about paid news in India, not the veracity of reporting in Indian media. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for which sources are actually disallowed here on enwiki, there is no blanket ban on Indian news, the ones clearly not allowed are those WP:generally unreliable and the like. The reliability of any article from a source not listed there would need to be separately discussed here. Gotitbro (talk) 08:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

It’s called Chittagong court

Change the name from Chotrogram to Chittagong. 2600:8807:C0C0:900:4DEC:7D76:1579:BDC2 (talk) 05:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The current official english name is "Chattogram", So reverted and rewritten edit Bruno pnm ars (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Possibility of new article

@Wiki N Islam:, @Addo Adwin:, @ApurboWiki2024:, @Lahsim Niasoh:, @Bruno pnm ars: Recently many sources call the killing incidents during 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement as "July massacre" including New Age, Ittefaq, Naya Diganta, Inqilab etc. It is an established term for the killing happened during the movement now. Also there will be trials for the massacre and it is going to be important topic soon. We can create an article for July massacre. Mehedi Abedin 12:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree Bruno pnm ars (talk) 13:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I rather propose renaming the article 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement and massacre, just like the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Wiki N Islam (talk) 14:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree with @Wiki N Islam. Lahsim Niasoh (talk) 14:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wiki N Islam July massacre is more than the movement. And unlike the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, it has the necessary characteristics to be an independent article because July massacre also consists of the deaths happened in August with July. Mehedi Abedin 00:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, we call Tiananmen incidents like that because the sources call it as both movement and massacre. But there is no reliable source call Quota reform movement as "2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement and massacre". So naming the article like this would be WP:OR. July massacre is stated by only massacre by reliable sources. Mehedi Abedin 00:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Second the argument made by Mehedi Abedin, hence Agree with creating the article with the title "July massacre" Bruno pnm ars (talk) 14:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree for a new article Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Which name would be more appropriate? July massacre or 2024 Bangladesh massacre or 2024 Bangladesh student massacre? Wiki N Islam (talk) 04:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wiki N Islam As there is no other article named "July massacre", it seems 2024 July massacre or just July massacre will be suitable. Also, sources call it simply "July massacre" and this name is well known, so we don't need to name it "2024 Bangladesh massacre" or "2024 Bangladesh student massacre". Mehedi Abedin 05:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• I agree with Abedin. New article may create with that name. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 06:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Leaving the draft here: Draft:July Massacre, Feel free to add info/edit with citation. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 13:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Why BNP’s party flag not shown?

Why is BNP party flag not shown in the groups that supported the protests? 2600:8807:C0C0:900:346C:135:7C42:C14E (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Because of US copyright law. Its flag design is not simple that's why it is out of public domain. Only flags under public domain can be on the article. Mehedi Abedin 02:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Because of copyright rules and regulation. Here's the Wiki Commons CRSM if you want to read it. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 08:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2024 to add a paragraph on the concept of 36th July

Please add a paragraph as follows, in order to highlight the concept of 36th July.

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Bestagon ⬡ 17:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended July

As the protests continued into the month of July, the protesters vowed to see it to the end, by declaring that their month of July will not end and August will not begin until they have achieved success, even though the page of the calendar has turned. Thus, they counted the following days as 32nd July, 33rd July and so on, until achieving final victory on what became 36th July. They mentioned later that they had enough spirits to take it upto 3600th of July if so needed .

• Wall painting "36th July" in English
  Wall painting "36th July" in English
• Wall painting "36th July" in Bangla
  Wall painting "36th July" in Bangla

118.179.102.198 (talk) 05:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

We have separate article for July 36. Mehedi Abedin 06:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

References

Timeline

We have Timeline of 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement now, then why we are keeping the Timeline section on the article? We should replace it with a summarized section named History. Mehedi Abedin 11:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mollathevalor @Foxy Husky @Borgenland @Lahsim Niasoh @Wiki N Islam @Bruno pnm ars Mehedi Abedin 11:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)