Talk:2023 Formula 2 Championship

Driver results legend change

Can we create a new driver result legend just like "F1 Driver result legend 8" but without the section "Superscript number: Points-scoring position in sprint"? So we get rid of the Bold and Italics numbers in the driver results so it has the same system as the Formula 1 pages. BryOn2205U (talk) 17:35, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to create the template and incorporate it into the article. H4MCHTR (talk) 06:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

It’s never been like that on any other articles and plus it looks better with bold and Italics because that format just clogs up the space for the results. RxxingAddict (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I don’t see why we need to change it RxxingAddict (talk) 14:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Imo I think that the F2 and F3 pages should have the same system as the F2 page. And I like the small and bold letters more than the italics and bold numbers. So my point is that the F1, F2 and F3 pages should look pretty much the same if it's possible. BryOn2205U (talk) 14:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

F1 page* BryOn2205U (talk) 14:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Its never been like that before and imo it is better the old way. RxxingAddict (talk) 14:55, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

We need to change it comply with MOS:ACCESS. And its not about what you like better. It's about what is accessible to everyone - and bold and italics isn't.(I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) SSSB (talk) 15:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

So should we change it now to the "F1-style" or keep it the same as it was? BryOn2205U (talk) 16:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Keep it the same cause like he said it's not what you like better. RxxingAddict (talk) 17:05, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

MOS:ACCESS overrides all your personal preferences, and to comply with it the system used for F1 should be used. H4MCHTR (talk) 10:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Additional points column next to the driver/team name

Can I also add the additional points columns, which the F1 page uses, to the F2 and F3 standings? It was added on the F1 page because apparently some people had problems with viewing the standings or something like that, personally I don't have this problem. But I would like to change it for two reasons. 1, changing it, so the F1, F2 and F3 pages have the same system. And 2, if you're viewing the drivers/teams standings on a phone, it's annoying to scroll to the right to see the points, for example if you want to compare the points of some drivers. BryOn2205U (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I think we should first wait what the discussion over on Talk:2023 Formula One World Championship ends up on (as it is still ongoing), and then if the F1 article really adds another column, I think as I said in my reversions, it would be unnecessary to add in Formula 3 as the season is way shorter than the F1 and F2 seasons. H4MCHTR (talk) 16:28, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, but the F3 season isn't so much shorter than the F1 season. F3 has 20 races this year while F1 has 23, so there isn't such a big difference. And while there are almost no differences between the F2 and F3 page, it would be weird, if the F3 page doesn't have the column too like the F1 and F2 pages. BryOn2205U (talk) 18:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@BryOn2205U, @RxxingAddict, @Tdboi edit warring here and on the F3 page helps no one, please discuss this matter here. H4MCHTR (talk) 07:17, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I think we should not add it, because not everything has to be the same as F1 and plus you have to scroll across to be able to see the full results anyway. RxxingAddict (talk) 07:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Ive tried their user talk page already RxxingAddict (talk) 07:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Keeping the F2/F3 pages similar to the F1 page would be nice imo, but no one needs to change the page the way I want to. I don't expect that of course. But there are some other things where the option with two points columns is better: As I said before on this talk page, some people seem to have a problem with the standings on the F1 page due to the new Wikipedia design I think. I personally don't have this problem, so I'm not really sure if the Driver's and Team's standings on the F2/F3 pages cause the same problem, but it would make sense if it does, at least for the F2 page. Also, if you're using the mobile view of Wikipedia, it's pretty annoying if you want to compare the points of the Drivers and Teams when the points are at the other end of the table. BryOn2205U (talk) 08:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes but we dont have to keep it exactly the same, because like i said before you have to scroll all the way across to the end to see the full results anyway. I think we should just leave it as it was before. RxxingAddict (talk) 09:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

So the reason for adding a second points column to the F1 page was that a part of the table was cut off due to the new design so you couldn't see the points of the drivers and constructors. To see the points you had to scroll the table horizontally, so that's why they added the points column next to the Driver/Constructor name. I went on the F2 page on my computer and just as on the F1 page, you can't see the points without scrolling to the right. BryOn2205U (talk) 12:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

That was not happening on the F2 and F3 pages though? It was only on the F1 page. RxxingAddict (talk) 13:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

So I think we should just leave it as it was RxxingAddict (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

A small part of the F2 standings table is cut off as I said, and while the boxes for every race result get a bit bigger every race weekend, when we put the results from every race into them, the table will stretch even further to the right. So it's literally the same problem as on the F1 page. BryOn2205U (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The F3 page however does not have this problem, because there are less races than in F1 and F2, but still I would keep the additional column for the F3 page, because the F2 page would have it and both pages are very similar. BryOn2205U (talk) 13:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

It’s fine for me? RxxingAddict (talk) 06:29, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Apparently you have a Wikipedia, which is properly working then. I still have the problem though. For me it looks like the pictures shown on the F1 talk page. Someone send some pictures in on the topic at the beginning of the discussion I think. BryOn2205U (talk) 08:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Show drivers' F1 team affiliations

I'd really like an at-a-glance view of which drivers are/were members of an F1 young driver program during each season. Maybe that could be an additional column in the Entries table, next to the drivers' names? Ijprocel (talk) 15:55, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I feel like that would clutter the table up too much. Also, affiliation is often not very clear-cut, some drivers are officially in a junior team, others just sponsored by a team, others in a management led by an F1 driver and some teams like Sauber update information on supported drivers only every few years. Also, how would we handle a driver losing his junior status mid-season? In my opinion, it is not too much to ask to just visit the drivers' page where it may be listed. H4MCHTR (talk) 17:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the value of including this information, I think it's fair to say that F2 largely exists to produce F1 drivers and I think that including this information could lead to a richer understanding of a given F2 season and the context around it. For example, imagine you were looking at this season's page at some point in the future and saw that there were 6 Red Bull juniors competing. That's a clue that RB were eager to fill a seat in the near future. There was a similar situation with Ferrari in the 2020 season.

Here's a mockup of what it might look like: https://imgur.com/a/xqrHBbw

The criteria for inclusion would be membership in an F1 team's driver development program at some point during the F2 season. If a driver leaves or enters a junior program mid-season, that can be indicated with a footnote.

The concern about clutter is valid. But it's typical for only about half of the F2 grid to be F1 driver academy members, which mitigates the clutter somewhat. You can see an example of what this season's entry list might look like with F1 junior program membership here. Ijprocel (talk) 18:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I feel like the clue of RB being eager to fill a seat is exactly one of the wrong conclusion one could read out of such information, as the RBJT has always been the biggest by far and always had many members in F2. But I see where you are coming from. Still, I think we should await more opinions than just us two before implementing such a column. H4MCHTR (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd be in favour of this personally, gives the more casual fan both an easier understanding of which drivers are in which programmes (as opposed to them having to look through each driver's page individually) and could maybe help them differentiate between liveries whilst watching the races ex: if they see that MP Motorsport has Red Bull affiliated Hauger and unaffiliated Daruvala it might help them click that they are teammates but have different liveries Io267374 (talk) 09:26, 1 April 2023 (UTC)