Talk:2022 Swedish general election

Title Change

In case of a snap election, if something happens the title should be switched to Next Swedish general election, for now. -- House of Gingerbread (talk) 1:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

No need for that IMO. If there is an extra election, there will still be an election in 2022.Sjö (talk) 11:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Would the next general election be a general one, though, if the legislatives are set to happen half a year later than the municipal and regional ones?--Aréat (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

That won't happen. The 2020 election will be held in September 2022, even if there is an extra election before that. The date is set and by law, elections (except extra elections) for the Riksdag, municiplaities and regions are held on the same day. Sjö (talk) 13:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

So even if there is a snap election mid term, the new assembly is only elected for the rest of the previous term, not four years. Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. Do you have a source, though? Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 14:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, https://www.val.se/servicelankar/other-languages/english-engelska/the-swedish-electoral-system.html.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjö (talk • contribs) 17:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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Events

Shouldn't we mention some of the political events going on (if there is) in parallel to the poll graph? Looking at the latter make one wonder why the Christian Democrats had such a surge, then bounced back down. Same with the recent Sweden Democrats surge. What's going on?--Aréat (talk) 11:53, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Danger of deletion

Based on the recent precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in the Philippines, and that apparently consensus has in fact changed, this article could be deleted. I can't begin to state how categorically I disagree with this change in consensus, but it is what it is. Bearian (talk) 01:20, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Sweden Democrats seat count

"The Sweden Democrats... is the third-largest party in the Riksdag with 63 seats." However, the infobox says the party had 62 after the last election, and has 62 now; the 2018 election article says 62. What is the explanation? Has someone defected to SD? Harfarhs (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

The official page of the Riksdag (https://www.riksdagen.se/en/members-and-parties/) has the Sweden Democrats with 62 seats, so I changed it. Adinga1 (talk) 17:35, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

One member was a redlink

I've created Emma Carlsson Löfdahl, but it's a stub. (I don't speak a word of Swedish.) --Orange Mike | Talk 23:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Infobox

Is there any reason the infobox was changed. I know some editors are replacing the normal infoboxes with the infobox thats normally used when there are more than 9 parties but it would be good to have at least some kind of RfC about this Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 17:28, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

My views:

1. Infobox legislative election, to my understanding, can be used at any time, but is mostly used when there are more than 9 parties in a country's parliament.

2. Sweden has 8 parties in its parliament, if 2 more parties were to enter it in a future election then I would support using Infobox legislative election, considering it would be a necessity as the current infobox has a technical limitation on having more than 9 parties.

3. Legislative election imparts less information. Notably missing are the leader images, some may disagree on that but I believe there is no harm in having them. Also missing are percentage changes, the reader cannot see how many votes a party received compared to the previous election, only seats. It also leaves out alliances which is absolutely crucial. In conclusion to this point, I believe that even though this infobox is necessary on certain election articles, it simply summarizes too much.

Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 08:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Alliances

Is it accurate to include the alliances in the infobox? "M–KD–L–SD collaboration" seems like something that should have some type of source on what the collaboration amounts to. It seems like bad form to include it in the infobox as an alliance if there isn't a source describing some type of arrangement to collaborate in forming a government (and not merely a willingness or preference to form a government with each other). Characterizing the opposing "alliance" as providing "confidence and supply" to Andersson's government also seems like bad form, as that term usually implies a formal agreement to support the government and key legislation, and non of said parties are actually voting affirmatively for Andersson's government (C isn't even backing key legislation). Aliiqve (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

These are informal "alliances" and not something like the Alliance for example. I'd support the removal. Vacant0 (talk) 21:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The use of the term "collaboration" sounds like a criminal act, something the Mafia would do but the use of such a word is hardly objective and neutral for a trustworthy encyclopedia. 93.206.56.213 (talk) 01:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

What type of votes will be counted on Wednesday?

Still 5 to 6 percent of precincts outstandings, most of them will be counted on Wednesday. But what kind of votes are these? Postal votes? Advance votes like early voting in person in the US? Or votes from Swedes living abroad? 93.206.56.213 (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Votes from abroad and early votes (source). Gust Justice (talk) 02:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Some early votes, to be precise. Early votes that make it to their voting district on or before the voting day are counted together with votes that are made at the polling place. Sjö (talk) 06:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Minor parties

would it be possible to make a breakdown? Braganza (talk) 05:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

This is not needed because minor parties are extra-parliamentary. Vacant0 (talk) 09:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC) I've misunderstood this question, ignore this. --Vacant0 (talk) 09:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

The figures aren't available yet as far as I can see. Hovever, I will add them when they appear. Cheers, Number 57 09:40, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Any guess how many votes are left to count on Wednesday?

Also, do we have any information regarding how Swedes living abroad typically vote? 62.226.89.187 (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

My understanding is that those votes are typically more right-leaning than the rest of the votes, so it's not expected the outcome of the election will change. Gust Justice (talk) 03:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Less than 200,000 I think. Vacant0 (talk) 09:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Wednesday vote count has let to a growing lead for the center-right parties

Improving their raw vote lead from 44500 on Monday morning to roughly 50.000 votes with 98 percent of all precincts now counted. 175 seats for them are almost guaranted, could grow to 176 seats if the Moderate party gains another seat on behalf of V. The final seat will be allocated between them. 93.206.57.173 (talk) 13:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah the election has just been called with Magdalena Andersson conceding defeat. Gust Justice (talk) 18:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Center-right bloc will win 176 seats and managed to gain a seat during today`s vote count, Moderates gained another seat on behalf of the SocialDemocrats. 93.206.57.173 (talk) 20:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Final and preliminary vote count

Guys, stop editing the vote count to show the preliminary one. Use the finalized vote total in the table instead. NutteLarsson59 (talk) 22:28, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

List of write-in parties

I have two issues with the complete listing of votes in this article:

1. I would argue that WP:NOTSTATS should draw a line somewhere on where minor parties and write-in joke parties are just summarised into an "others" line. If a party with an article falls below that threshold, that information is probably more relevant to the party's article instead.
2. English translations - presumably the translated names "Evil Chicken Party" (ond kyckling partiet) and "Now That Will Be Enough" (Nu får det fan vara nog) are just an editor's good-faith attempt at making the article a bit easier for English-language readers. However, the fact that we're sitting here translating Swedish in-jokes might just mean that we could cut some details...

Any thoughts? [User:EditorInTheRye|EditorInTheRye-en] (talk) 08:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

As for the translation of joke parties I translated all of them just beacuse I didn't know if there were some not worthy of a proper translation, but I'm perfectly fine with whatever people more expert than me on Swedish parties decide on that.

About how many parties to include in the table in the 2018 election page the approach was to keep in a single entry all the small parties that didn't order ballot papers. I couldn't find anywhere the corresponding information for the 2022 election, that's why I all of them in individual entries in the end, but I someone manages to find that info it would be a good dividing line and it would also be consistent with past elections. Fm3dici97 (talk) 08:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think NOTSTATS applies here; we should list the full election results. However, I would have no problem summarising the write-in parties into a single line as has been done for previous elections (if we can work out which ones these are). Cheers, Number 57 15:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

There should be some threshoold for how small parties we may include. Including parties that got one vote in the table is beyond absurd for a table that is meant to summarise the results. I would set a cut-off at somethin like 1,000 votes, and then just summarise the remaining parties under an "other parties" label. I would only translate names into English if the party has an English language Wikipedia article, or an official English name otherwise exists. Gust Justice (talk) 21:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I disagree with this threshold, it seems arbitrary and in open conflict with what has been done with all the recent Swedish parliamentary elections, i.e. having parties added in their own entry or not depending on whether they were write-in parties or not. A page where to check if parties have or not printed ballot papers is this one: https://data.val.se/partier/valsedlar?valtyp=RD, and I'm willing to check them and update the summary table in the election page accordingly since it seemed that the "write-in or not" dividing line was considered an acceptable solution. Fm3dici97 (talk) 08:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree that having a threshold like that can be seen as arbitrary (though it is done in 2019 United Kingdom general election), but I think it is necessary to have it be placed somewhere if we don't want the results template in the article to be absurdly long. Dividing the parties by whether they had ballot papers could be a less arbitrary way of dividing it, but bear in mind this would require checking every single of the 29 constituencies to find which parties have their own ballots. Something which is a lot more tedious than just looking at the overall results. Gust Justice (talk) 15:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Fm3dici97 here. Please reinstate the full list. Cheers, Number 57 17:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I think the cutoff put in right now is ok, and you can always link to val.se in a footnote. On the suggestion of including/excluding based on whether a party was pre-registered or got their ballots printed might have some issues too, and sometimes unregistered/joke write-in parties will beat even those... EditorInTheRye (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Incomprehensibility of the abbreviations

Just a thought that perhaps it would be better to use English names of the parties in the text instead of the Swedish abbreviations because the the article is completely incomprehensible, especially that in the infobox there's no Swedish names or abbreviations. Then a non Swedish speaker reads the text and wonders what V or MP stand for, or thinks that SD means Social Democrats. Uostofchuodnego (talk) 12:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

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Split by seat type in the results table

Do we really need this in this article? Splitting the seats makes sense when they are elected by different ballots (like in Germany) or even systems like Lesotho's (which has levelling seats to top up constituency seats), but I don't think it's worth doing for a purely PR system like Sweden's (where the levelling seats are adjusting imbalances in an existing PR system). I would suggest we restore the original table with one seats column, but the split version could go into the results articles (Results of the 2022 Swedish general election) where more detail like this is more appropriate. Cheers, Number 57 00:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree. It's not paralel voting, only the way the PR seats are allocated. It would be like making different column for Highest averages methods.--Aréat (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. I didn't see it before, but it has no informational value whatsoever in this article. Sjö (talk) 07:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The same goes for the other articles where Obi2canibe added this information. I think all those edits should be reverted. Sjö (talk) 07:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks both. I've restored the original tables, and moved the more detailed splits into the results articles. Another issue is that the splits are not supported by the sources in many articles (the Nohlen book does not give a breakdown of the respective seat allocations). Cheers, Number 57 12:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't think it makes much sense there either, for the same reasons as above. Sjö (talk) 14:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I have to say I am disappointed by the responses here, especially when you consider some of the fluff (e.g. the endless opinion polls, election debates), included in election articles. The idea that the split doesn't add any info is not true - for countries that use PR, readers who aren't experts on electoral systems may expect the seat allocation to be proportional to the votes but sometimes, such as the recent Danish election, this may not be the case because the leveling seats can only go so far in correcting any anomalies caused by the way the constituency results have materialised.--Obi2canibe (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)