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What were the suspect's motives?

I feel like this should be an important part of the investigation 24.131.7.13 (talk) 01:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It has just happened, so htf would anyone know? WWGB (talk) 01:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It will be an important part of the investigation. When they release info, we'll publish it. I believe the perpetrators were Indigenous, and that will be very difficult for the Canadian news outlets and RCMP to handle. There will be some very carefully thought out wordings coming our way. Billyshiverstick (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure they are investigating the motivate. Cwater1 (talk) 03:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we’ll never know now. JKnox403 (talk) 05:29, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Identity

Both perpetrators and all but one victim belong to the James Smith Cree Nation. It seems that the stabbings were something mostly between members of this First Nation. One victim seems to have been an elderly White male, all others were from the Cree Nation. This could maybe reduce fear of more stabbings by the two perpetrators. Shouldn't this be mentioned? 2A02:8071:B81:DA80:F012:B1D3:C1DF:EFDE (talk) 04:24, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source for this? 2600:6C51:447F:D8D9:B48A:27D4:4003:37CC (talk) 05:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a written source because I got the information orally from people at the location. The Sandersons are a family on the reserve and once a Sanderson by the name of Calvin Sanderson was a chief there. A Solomon or Sol Sanderson was also an important member of the Cree Nation. Maybe there are written sources about the relation of all the Sandersons to each others but I don't know where, sorry. 2A02:8071:B81:DA80:8053:9B45:186:982C (talk) 05:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there are reliable sources, we can't add that info to the article; hearsay is not enough for an encyclopedia. And really, with a crime apparently as random as that, would this really mean other people need not fear them? We don't have any motive, so even if there was a connection, they might change their mind and stab other people after all. But yeah, sources only, BBC, CNBC or similar. –LordPickleII (talk) 08:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"This could maybe reduce fear of more stabbings by the two perpetrators." How does this reduce fear? You mean reduce fear in people outside the James Smith Cree Nation only? What about people in James Smith Cree Nation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.39.152 (talk) 11:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article says the suspects have the same surname, yet doesn't say if they're related. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And regardless, Wikipedia articles should only aim to provide verifiable information presented in a dry, emotionless tone. We are not supposed to try to influence people's emotions about a topic... how readers react to the plain facts is up to them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Damien Sanderson is dead

The police said he died, how does the citation work with an ongoing press conference? Ebreel123sl (talk) 21:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Easy: We wait a few hours! Wikipedia is not news, so we don't have to have every breaking development asap. As soon as one of the newspapers updates their written coverage, we can update here. –LordPickleII (talk) 21:59, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kelisi: I just saw you updated, can you please give a source? Otherwise it belies what I just said above... –LordPickleII (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I managed to find the narrow time window to complain... –LordPickleII (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It remains unclear if Damien Sanderson was killed on September 4 or 5, 2022. Recommend final publishing after RCMP release full timeline of events. JKnox403 (talk) 23:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His body was found at or about what was already a crime scene on the morning of the 4th. It's not impossible that police (and associated investigators) simply didn't notice someone being killed nearby, and maybe someone else injured. But it's implausible. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spree is the wrong word.

Spree has a connotation of a joyful release of energy, like a spending spree, or a sexual spree. Common synonyms for spree are "celebration, orgy, party, fling" etc. I'm going to try and find something better. Billyshiverstick (talk) 23:03, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spree killing is a technical term that describes the events. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A bad technical term. Billyshiverstick (talk) 23:08, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In a short time, I can only find rampage, but rampage is better. Please don't revert. If you don't like it, find something better. Tx Billyshiverstick (talk) 23:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Billyshiverstick: A technical term is still a technical term. We can't change it to something "better" just because we dislike the sound of it. I agree "spree" sounds a little weird, but that's what we have to work with. It's an encyclopedia. –LordPickleII (talk) 23:16, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mass murder”? This remains a “technical term” without the connotation of the word “spree”. JKnox403 (talk) 23:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mass murders and spree killings are two separate crimes. Mass murders refer to multiple murders in the same place at the same time. A spree killing refers to multiple murders in different places without a cooling-off period. Since these murders happened in both the James Smith Cree Nation and Weldon, this crime would be a spree killing. Silent-Rains (talk) 00:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think many people who commit killing sprees find them (unfortunately) to be a "joyful release of energy." Also, a "joyful release of enegery" is how you personally interpret the word. The actual definition of spree is "a sustained period of unrestrained activity," according to the Oxford dictonary. Silent-Rains (talk) 23:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A person who killed 10 people is a victim?

Currently a dispute about the heading for the people who are dead. Is "victims" appropriate, when the text includes one of the people who is suspected of having killed the other 10 people? We don't know yet how he died. If he died because one of the people he was killing, killed him in self-defence, is he a "victim"? That seems a very odd use of the word. "Fatalities" is neutral; "victim" is making a judgment. We don't know enough yet about how he died to make any such comment. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:51, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His fatal wounds were not self-inflicted, so technically he is a victim too. WWGB (talk) 14:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know enough yet. If he was killed by one of the people he was killing, in self-defence, does that make him a victim? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. A homicide victim, anyway. Not a crime victim or murder victim. In some circles, a victim of circumstances. Circumstances can include poverty, addiction and intergenerational trauma (but I'm not "going there"). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious - if he were shot by police to prevent a killing, the wounds would not be self-inflicted. Would he then be a victim? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. A shooting victim, in detail, but still directly resulting from the mass stabbing event itself. The phrase "innocent victim" is just so common that one connotes the other to many. To many others, though, even Hitler was a guilty murderous "suicide victim". InedibleHulk (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would the section being called "casualties" be better phrasing then, also I'm confused as to why it is a subsection instead of an actual section. A large majority of mass death incident pages have the deceased/victims/casualty sections separated out from the incident. Leaky.Solar (talk) 16:07, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would be fine with calling the section "Casualties". It's more objective and better NPOV, from my perspective. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 19:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Either works for me, but never call a dead/deceased/departed person a fatality, killing or death. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to "victims" in an effort to standardize the article with 2020 Nova Scotia killings. ViperSnake151 Talk 01:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Standardisation" only works if the facts are the same. The Nova Scotia killer operated alone, and there was no ambiguity whether one of the dead people in Nova Scotia had participated in the killings. Here, there is a dead person who did not kill themselves, and may not have been killed by the other killer. We don't know if that person is a victim or not. "Casualties" is a factual, NPOV category that does not make any assumptions about that person's status. Can't cram this unusual case into a "standard" that does not apply. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Today the RCMP stated that Myles was responsible for all of the deaths, and that there was evidence he had murdered Damien as well. Does this change anything? ViperSnake151 Talk 20:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Myles Sanderson

CBC news is reporting that Myles Sanderson has died. GoodDay (talk) 02:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BBC News are also reporting this. Suspect died of self inflicted wounds. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BBC reports his death, that "self-inflicted wounds" part is from a shadowy figure (or figures). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. In the time since I posted the link, the parts on self-inflicted wounds have been removed from the BBC article, and now only says Shortly after his arrest, Sanderson went into "medical distress" and was taken to a hospital in Saskatoon, where he died. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's because the RCMP released new information. Very little, in fact. A new investigation is now ongoing and autopsy reports (for all twelve) will not be forthcoming as part of that; in the interim, be careful of further confusion between police, reliable sources and "law enforcement sources" and have a nice rest of the year (at least). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Independent now adds "inflected" to this game of Chinese whispers. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CBC

CBC reported that Myles over dosed on pills. Dont know what. Or why. 74.120.7.131 (talk) 01:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

stabbings

Damien’s spouse is saying that he didn’t do anything related to the stabbings, And she believes that Myles did all of the stabbings and not Damien 2604:3D09:A07E:7D00:10A4:E7F3:8ECB:ED6B (talk) 23:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

EXCLUSIVE: Saskatchewan stabbing suspect’s wife says she called RCMP 24 hours before murders <-- This seems to have a lot of information. It would be hard to decide what should go in the article. Martin Moostoos says Myles was trying to kill him over $50, but Damien stopped him. The article states "Skye believes her husband was murdered by his brother after he tried to stop him from killing Martin." Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

corrections

Bonnie was not the wife of Gregory Burns. She was his mother. The chief was not Darryl Burns. It was Wally Burns. 142.165.218.74 (talk) 13:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks for pointing this out. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]