Talk:2022 NBA draft

Use of flags in article

Hi Squared.Circle.Boxing, I noticed that you removed the flags in this article. Can you give a more detailed explanation for your reasoning for doing so? (I reverted your changes, and then you re-reverted, so here we are). As a note, using flags has been a "local standard" at NBA draft articles, see 2021 NBA draft, 2016 NBA draft, 2002 NBA draft, etc. Perhaps other articles should be changed as well. Natg 19 (talk) 20:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Morning Nat. Firstly, per MOS:SPORTFLAG, Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense; flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or representative nationality. The flags are being used to represent nationality in a non-sporting sense. I think the eligibility rules aspect is being misused here. That applies to situations where national representation is possible, and relevant. National representation is not possible in the NBA (players represent a team, not a nation), and is not relevant to the league or the subject of this article (the article isn't about international competition where national representation is an aspect).

Secondly, per MOS:WORDPRECEDENCE, Words as the primary means of communication should be given greater precedence over flags. We could argue back and forth over SPORTFLAG (as I believe many have, sometimes rightly so), but WORDPRECEDENCE is pretty clear. Even if it was determined the flag usage is appropriate per SPORTFLAG, they're still inappropriate per WORDPRECEDENCE.

Mrsmiis would you mind explaining how you believe I may have misinterpreted SPORTFLAG? – ².O.^Boxing 10:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Is WORDPRECEDENCE mutually exclusive with use of flag icons? G. Timothy Walton (talk) 14:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

No. Flagicons can be appropriate in lists or tables if they're pertinent to the purpose of the list or table itself. Player's nationality--whether in a sporting sense or not--is not pertinent to the subject of this article or the purpose of the lists within it. – ².O.^Boxing 15:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense is intending to mean. From what I can tell, these flags are being used to represent nationality in a sporting sense. As for WORDPRECEDENCE, I can see where you are coming from, but I don't know if it specifically excludes using the flags. If you don't think nationality is pertinent to this article, should we just remove the "Nationality" column altogether? Nationality has become more relevant to the draft, as there has been a growing number of international players in the NBA. Natg 19 (talk) 19:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

On 2nd thought, I believe this "non-sporting sense" refers to people with dual/multiple citizenship. Kyrie Irving, for example, was born in Australia, but he should be indicated with an American flag, instead of an Australian one, because he represents the USA internationally. Similarly, Nikola Vučević was born in Switzerland, raised in Belgium and Montenegro, and represents Montenegro internationally, so should be represented with the Montenegrin flag. Natg 19 (talk) 20:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding nationality (not so much with flags), there was a similiar discussion at Talk:List_of_first_overall_NBA_draft_picks#Karl_Anthony_Towns,_International?. AFAIK, the only consistent reference is regarding the NBA's marketing of its players not born in the 50 U.S. states. The NBA doesn't have quotas on countries, so it otherwise seems trivial to list other details like dual-nationality (those can be a footnote, at best).—Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)