Talk:2020 World Snooker Championship/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 09:18, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments

• Copyvio and plagiarism check: Used Earwig's Copyvio Detector. WST 32.4% match is mostly direct attributed quotes, but also the phrase "set a new record for the most combined points in a single frame at the Crucible." I suggest considering whether there is another reasonable way to include that information.

Yahoo 37.5% match is a direct attributed quote and a very common phrasing. WST 20% match is a direct attributed quote and common phrasings. 18.7% match seems to be a mirror site; 17.4% match is names and common phrasing, 16.7% match is a directly attributed quote and common phrasing; 16% match is a directly attributed quote and common phrasing; 15.3% match is a directly attributed quote and common phrasing. Reviewed the other matches of 9.9% and above, and no concerns from those.

• • Thanks for picking this one up Benny. I'll see what I can do about the rewording per WP:LIMITED Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my comments. I've made a few minor copyedits where I thought they would be uncontroversial. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC) Lee Vilenski - My comments are below, nothing major. I'll look at the lead after reviewing your responses. Thanks. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I've made the change to get rid of the copyvio. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

• Looks fine.

Lead

• "maiden world title" doesn't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
  • I've put in "first world title" (the same deal) into the body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
• "the 18th player to fall to the Crucible curse." - 18th doesn't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
  • The number is irrelevant so I've removed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
• "the highest of any player" doesn't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
  • Now in body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
• "tenth career maximum break" / "his first at the World Championship" / "aged 45" / "he became the oldest player to make a maximum in a professional competition" don't seem to appear in the body of the article or be supported by a reference.
  • I've now cited in body Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Background

• Why not use a more recent source for "Stephen Hendry is the event's most successful participant in the modern era"? (It's still true, but I think a link that includes champions after 2012 would be better.)
  • I've used the one from this year stating this from the final. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Add source for "The previous year's championship was won by England's Judd Trump, who defeated Scotland's John Higgins in the final 18–9"
  • Not sure why I didn't cite this earlier. Must have been an oversight. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• (I wasn't sure about the phrase "several frames" here but I see it's used in the FA-rated articles for 2017, 2018 and 2019 so it's OK here too.)

Format

• What makes SnookerTrips.com a reliable source?
  • Removed - no idea on the validity, but already cited elsewhere. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• In the Snooker Scene reference, rather than "|issue=August 2020 |publisher=Halesowen: Snooker Scene Ltd.", I think it should be "|date=August 2020 |publisher=Snooker Scene Ltd. |location=Halesowen"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Coverage

• Maybe "In other countries, Matchroom Sport.." to "In all other countries ..." - at first I took this to mean "some other countries" whereas the source supports it being all others.
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Prize fund

• Looks fine.

Qualifying

• "..with 16 players progressing." Maybe a slight amendment to "..with 16 players progressing into the main draw." (Might be too picky, but every player who won a match progressed to the next round.)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• As " Challenge Tour play-off" is currently redlinked, consider expanding "won the Challenge Tour play-off to gain a two-year professional tour card" to include a brief explanation.
  • I'm not sure what else you could say? He won a tournament before qualifying that gave him a tour card. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Maybe link Challenge Tour (snooker)? The reader may not know what the challenge tour is. But if your point is that the article already says he won a tournament to give him the card then that's OK, we can't go to absolute detail on everything. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
      • I'd rather not. Someone will make the article at some point, we could redirect it, but I don't see the need. Redlinks are a thing for a reason Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
        • OK. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
• Why "including a 6–4 win over Michael Georgiou" but no details here about White's other win?
  • I've added both names. I don't think the score of his first match is in the cite. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "is the first Swiss player to play the mainstages of the tournament" Maybe "..became the first Swiss player" and "main stage".
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

First round

• "and [Ford] attempted a maximum break" - I think something like "was on track for ..." would be more appropriate unless there's a source where Ford says he was aiming for a maximum. (I'm reminded of that old snooker hall comment made after someone pots the first red and a black - "he's on for a maximum".)
  • Sure, I've needed a better way of saying this for a while - thanks. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Could re-order refs [49][48][53] at the end of the second para for tidiness.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• I've added "added at" between Williams' comments.
  • Ideal Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "Four-time champion [Higgins]" and "two-time finalist [Stevens]" - those achievements are not included in the cited source.
  • Done some changes here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "requiring foul shots" - maybe expand slightly to something like "requiring Stevens to make foul shots"
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "The 2010 winner Neil Robertson" not verified by cited source.
  • It was in the later source, so I've moved. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "Both players made a break of 102 in frames 10 and 11, with four century breaks in a row" needs rewording.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "averaged less than 14 seconds per shot" - add a bit of context, even though the article goes on to cover this being the quickest best-of-19. (Perhaps this is a source?)
  • I've added something (was kinda hoping Snooker Scene would do me a solid for this one. I've done my best, but not too happy with it) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Second round

• "This was the first time since Stephen Hendry in 2012 that there was a maximum at the event." True, but consider rewording.
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Reword to remove duplication of "next two" in the sentence about the Higgins/Maflin match. It also appears in the following sentence. "next three" also appears in consecutive sentences. ("Next" is in the article quite a few times, maybe use some more synonyms?)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "World number one" not verified by the cited source. Also, consider introducing this description earlier in the article.
  • Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "Kyren Wilson received a bye through the first round" - add the reason (i.e. Hamilton's withdrawal, mentioned earlier)
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Could re-order refs [94][93] for tidiness.
• Unable to verify " a record 28th consecutive appearance at the event" via "Live Snooker: World Championship". Snooker on Eurosport. 1 August 2020. 133 minutes in. Eurosport. Eurosport 1 HD" as it's unavailable. Is there a more accessible source? (I expected to find one easily, but didn't.)
  • No. And I know it's one of those things that O'Sullivan fans think is super important (I tried to remove it). I also thought it would be easy to cite (hoping again for Snooker Scene to the rescue). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    • OK, AGF for this. (this confirms 28th, but not that it was a record.). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• CGTN source is OK but see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_China_Global_Television_Network - it may become deprecated.
  • I will replace as/when it is deprecated. I think there's some NPOV issues with the discussion. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "The pair were calmed..." - not sure about this, given the description in the source including the way McGill subsequently followed Clarke out of the arena.
  • Reworded. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Quarter-finals

• The source only talks about the Crucible curse going back to 1977, whereas I think the article rightly says that the "curse" extends back further. May need a further source. (And although off-topic for this review, Crucible curse may need an update).
  • The Crucible curse only applies to the Crucible. So, 1977. I've changed. Personally, I think it's a lot of media hullabaloo, but it's what people talk about. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    • That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "most century breaks of any player this season", "just one short of Neil Robertson's record in 2013–14" - not supported by live version of the source, and the archive link redirects to the live version.
  • Added a ref. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• AGF on The Telegraph for 9 August. (Archive only shows the start of the article for me, may need a "registration" or "subscription" marker in the citation)
  • Tagged Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "would later consider that the comments were also aimed at himself" - that's not my reading of the source, what's this derived from?
  • Added a ref. There's a BBC article on exactly this, but I can't find it. Got a similar one though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    • That's fine. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "contested their first quarter-finals" - add something to say world championship or Crucible, as both have previously reached ranking tournament quarter finals.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-finals

• "Kyren Wilson, who had reached this stage once before in 2018", "Anthony McGill who had not reached the semi-finals previously" - not supported by source cited.
  • Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "McGill made his first two century breaks of the tournament in the final session" - not supported by source cited.
  • Used cite from centuries. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• " despite there being a lot of kicks" - not sure if this is "despite", as the source comments that this affected both players.
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• "O'Sullivan rasped his hand" - "rapped"?
  • Whoops. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Final

• "first-time finalist" - not supported by source cited.
  • Added cite Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Main draw

• Add wikilinks or tooltips for "w/o" and "w/d".
  • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Is livesnooker.com a reliable source?
  • Aside from being attached to bet365, I've never seen it be called unreliable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    • the link with bet365 adds to credibility IMO as the gambling is highly regulated in the UK. The information it's supporting is not controversial. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Qualifying

• Looks fine

Qualifying draw

• Looks fine

Century breaks

• Live version of the source for Qualifying stage centuries says there were 51 (not 53).
  • Changed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

External links

• Maybe add something like "..of World Snooker Tour"? Readers might otherwise expect this to go directly to a page specifically about the 2020 World Snooker Championship.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Other

• "clearance" and "Steve Davis" have duplinks.
  • Fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
• Images - logo use is fine as established at FA articles (e.g. 2018 World Snooker Championship). No issues found with the photos.
• There are recent reversions in the article history, but nothing that looks like a current edit war. (Having had another look at the page history since writing this, need to keep an eye on this. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC))
  • Yeah, looks like that's been resolved. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

• BennyOnTheLoose, apologies for the delay, I've covered this Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks Lee Vilenski. I'm happy with all of the responses - one further question about Challenge Tour above, but it's not a blocker. A cite error relating to "wst._Wils" has crept in. I've now had a look at the lead (as I prefer to do this last) and there seem to be a few points there that aren't included in the body of the article and are unreferenced. (See above.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
    • All done BennyOnTheLoose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Thanks Lee Vilenski. I'm not seeing the support for "aged 45, he became the oldest player" (re Higgins' 147) in the cited source - or is it in the video on that page? That's the only pending issue. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
        • With the additional reference added, I'm happy to pass this for GA. Thanks and well done Lee Vilenski. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)