Talk:2020 West Coast Eagles season/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Prose

Lede

• The 2020 season was the West Coast Eagles' 34th season in the Australian Football League (AFL). - this lede sentence is a bit weak. Could we have this summarise what the West Coast is (an Aussie Rules team) and that they play in the AFL. Then you can talk about the 2020 season and expand. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• The COVID-19 pandemic had a significant impact on their season, with the team forced to hub in Queensland for much of the season due to Western Australian border restrictions. - this should really come later after you define what the season was, and what the team did. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• The team finished the home-and-away season fifth on the ladder for the second year in a row, with a win–loss record of 12–5, qualifying them for the 2020 AFL finals series. - can we reword to not need an in-depth knowledge of the league to understand? I suggest "The West Coast Eagles finished the season with 12 wins and 5 losses, finishing fifth in the ladder, qualifying for the 2020 AFL finals series. In the series, they were eliminated in the first round by eighth placed Collingwood." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• Best and Fairest - this isn't a proper noun. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Steelkamp (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• There seems to be very little info on the women's season - seems a bit sexist. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The women's season has an article of its own at 2020 West Coast Eagles women's season, which is linked at 2020 West Coast Eagles season#See also. This article would be too long if there was information on the women's season as well. Granted the women's article is not at the level of quality of this article, but there is plenty of room for improvement of that article, and it is beside the point. Steelkamp (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• Could we get a short description? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Added {{Short description|none}} due to WP:SDNONE. Steelkamp (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

General

• The body of an article should be readable without the lede. In the background, you should also define what the club is before going into what they did the prior season. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• "disapointed", acording to whom? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Removed and reworded sentence. Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• " bowed out" not encyclopedic wording. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Removed and reworded sentence. Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• Was there no playing changes? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • What do you mean by this? Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• 100,776 members - you might need to explain what members means in this context - is this the season ticket holders? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • This is hard to explain. There is a large range of types of memberships, from just deliveries of team merchandise to reserved seats at all 11 home matches. This was all thrown out of wack in 2020 as there were less matches, and less spectators allowed at each match, so members went to less matches than what their membership type would have allowed them to do. Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• This meant West Coast was the first non-Victorian AFL club to have the most memberships. - reword. "The membership was the highest in the AFL, the first time this happened to a club outside of Victoria." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• The season summary should be above the COVID-19 stuff. This explains about what the article is about, and then later you can talk about how the season was changed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 15:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• The covid-19 section suffers from a bit of WP:Proseline, could we merge some of the paragraphs a bit? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 15:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• Could we Bundle [38][39][40][41]? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• I think explaining what you mean by "deletion" from the playing list (or just an explaination as to what a playing list is) would be beneficial. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • I've changed deletions from playing list to removals from playing list, as it made more sense. The playing list is simply the list of people that can play for the team that season. Steelkamp (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• The Eagle's round 1 match would be the last AFL match to be played for over two months.. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Citation added. Steelkamp (talk) 16:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• but neither Richmond of Geelong lost their matches, causing West Coast to finish 5th at the end of the season, setting them up for an elimination final against Collingwood. - CN? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Citation added. Steelkamp (talk) 16:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• West Coast's elimination final against Collingwood occurred on October 3. The Eagles went into the match as favourites, after having beat the Magpies by 66 points earlier in the season, but Collingwood ended up winning the elimination final by 1 point, ending West Coast's 2020 season. This was the first year since 2016 where West Coast did not progress beyond the first week of the finals. - I feel this could do with a bit of an expansion, this isn't very long for the big knockout game at the end of the season Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Expanded upon final paragraph. Steelkamp (talk) 16:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Looks a lot better now, happy to pass. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)