Talk:2019 India doctors' strike

Notability

Have been thinking of this (and spotted your sub-page) :-) Does this pass NOTNEWS? How'bout creating an article about the broader topic of violence against doctors, in West Bengal? ∯WBG^converse 09:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The single event of the assault probably doesn't meet NOTNEWS, hence I proceeded to cover the events ensuing since, which meet the notability guidelines due to the wide coverage. A broader article on the violence against doctors probably would work, but that would be a good thing to background this article from and better as a stand-alone one supplementing this one (is there one already?). --qedk (t 桜 c) 10:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Media biases and all that

Also, Telegraph is quite unreliable for coverage of this issue; way pro-TMC bias refers to the fact that the Telegraph (and frankly, the entire local group) leans towards TMC and away from BJP, politically. It is as valid as saying that Republic/ZeeNews is a pro-BJP media-organisation (or for me, a BJP mouthpiece) or that National Herald is a pro-INC outlet or that Fox leans towards the GOP. And, to perceive that as a comment on the editor's biases (and thus deeming that as a PA) is ridiculous and equivalent of stating that whoever is working on User:Winged Blades of Godric/Indian Media and the surrounding locus, are making gross personal attacks against whoever are using those sources. Please clarify. ∯WBG^converse 05:23, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: No, I thought that the personal attack was against me, the use of a semi-colon indicates (to me) that it was unrelated from your first part of the statement but since you stated that the comment was related to the source, it is definitely not a personal attack — I'm alright with it. --qedk (t 桜 c) 05:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

On that note though, I find The Telegraph more moderate among news sources established primarily in Calcutta. There's ABP News who are quite variant on who they support (they were pro-TMC at one point unbelievably). I prefer TT among the local sources for that reason but they are indeed more soft-spoken on AITC than a truly neutral newspaper should be. --qedk (t 桜 c) 05:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

QEDK, thanks. That was a mis-typed semicolon:-(

ABP Ananda's political leanings fluctuate too often and the swings are often too weird to reason (for me). I agree, that of all the Calcutta based papers, TT is quite excellent, as to news quality but some additional care is warranted when using them on anything involving TMC's political fortunes. ∯WBG^converse 05:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Assessment

@Titodutta and Winged Blades of Godric: I am of the opinion that this article is at least C-class now, if you guys disagree, can you expand on why not and what I need to do to reach C-class and if it does meet C-class, what more do I need to do to meet B-class, thanks. --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

QEDK, I understand precisely nothing about these assessments (except the MILHIST ratings, stub, GA and FA) and the system has lost it's real value, much earlier (it was initially designed for CD editions and all that....). At any case, I have never ever cared for the assessments in my rewrite of multiple articles and thus, unable to opine. This can be taken to GA though, with inclusion of considerable background (search the newspaper archives and there's loads of sources) and earlier events of similar manner; I plan to do that, pursuant to certain other factors. ∯WBG^converse 18:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

As a writer of primarily stub articles, I'm pretty ignorant about assessments too, thanks either way. Notably though, this seems to be sprawling off into a national movement and might soon need a move to 2019 India doctors' strike as circumstances arise (and to think, there was a time I considered "2019 Kolkata doctors' strike"!), let's see. --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Vote Bank

Current cm Mamta benerjee didnt take proper decision just coz of muslims vote bank Avi3095 (talk) 16:56, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Justification of violence by chief minster

Mamta is trying to justify violence and even tone in the lead section in this article is like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamta has no Mamta (talk • contribs) 10:52, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2019

Not "cpim backed doctors forum" 117.194.41.19 (talk) 20:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

 Declined The Telegraph source states it as "CPM-backed". What is your source for not CPIM-backed? --qedk (t 桜 c) 21:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

The Subject

The subject should be changed from "2019 West Bengal/India Doctors' Strike" to "Bengal's White Coat Revolution" as suggested by all the Medical Colleges in West Bengal. Dr. Manas Das (talk) 18:19, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2019

The protest ended today after a meeting with the CM of westbengal. 2405:204:41A9:8B79:0:0:2209:60A4 (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

•  Done --qedk (t 桜 c) 21:08, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2019

Change of heading from "2019 India Doctors strike" To "Bengal's White Coat Revolution, 2019"} Debarghya Pan (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2019 India doctors' strike/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Goldsztajn (talk · contribs) 22:55, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Am planning to review, please allow seven days. Goldsztajn (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

This article has failed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 10, 2019, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Writing style is acceptable, but is mostly chronological and thus suffers somewhat from having a news event/journalistic feeling, rather than an encyclopedic tone. The lead is not complete - it should summarise the issue, not present a chronological description of events, which is incomplete.

2. Verifiable?: Part of the problem here is the title, while there were a number of solidarity actions in other states (Maharashtra seems the most significant), I do not think this can be treated as a national doctors' strike. As far as I can see, there were strikes at a number of public hospitals in Kolkata (13) and some district hospitals in West Bengal (6 out of 23), but beyond West Bengal most other events seem to be solidarity actions (small protests etc). "2019 Kolkata doctors' strike" would in my mind be the most accurate title. The section on background has poor sources and is overlong. This sentence: "Instances of assaulting medical professionals in government and private hospitals is common in West Bengal[8] and India.[21]" contains two sources neither of which actually provide evidence of the commonness of violence. The reference to West Bengal mentions nothing, the reference to India mentions two cases. The next two sentences then repeat text from the reference. There is a vast amount of literature on violence against health professionals world-wide and in India, some of this should be used. This is a very useful search engine.

3. Broad in coverage?: Incomplete - Many months have passed since the events in June - no indication of what is the current status and outcomes of the strike. There was international solidarity activities organised these should be mentioned.

4. Neutral point of view?: No major problems here.

5. Stable?: Not relevant given amount of work still needed.

6. Images?: Only one image in the article and not clear the relevance - image of protesting doctors is from Goa, not dated. Is this a solidarity protest related to the incidents at NRSMCH or something else?

Having to fail as there's a lot more work needed to get to GA status, my main points would be:

• lead - needs complete revision per WP:MOSLEAD (just one example that stands out - the word strike is not mentioned in the lead).
• background/context - needs to be shorter with far better sources (academic rather than mainstream journalism here)
• protests section well sourced. However, perhaps consider two parts to avoid overt chronological style - one part to focus on West Bengal, a second part to focus on growth of national solidarity actions. (it might be interesting if it is possible to get reliable sources that discuss media coverage of the issue - sympathetic or unsympathetic).
• outcomes - needs a section on results, resolutions (if any or if none).

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Goldsztajn (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Just want to add a point. I was initially worried that there were plagiarism problems. A Facebook page which looks to be run by NRSMCH doctors contains a post which is more or less exactly the same as what appears in the article. However, looking at the history of the article, it seems that the FB post has taken the material from here. If editors are working on this article and also have a direct interest in this issue, that interest should be declared. I'm not suggesting that I think necessarily this is the case here, need to WP:AGF, but just leaving a reminder.--Goldsztajn (talk) 01:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Will look at this over the next few days as time permits. @Goldsztajn: are you around to review or should I renominate as and when I make progress? --qedk (t 桜 c) 22:39, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@QEDK: Hi - I'm around, ping me when you've had a chance to work on the comments, happy to look over it again. --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.