Jump to content

Talk:2018 FIFA World Cup/Archive 1

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 1Archive 2Archive 3

Russia´s anothers attempt to host the FIFA World Cup.

Hi, congrats to Russia.

We must to remember that Russia like USSR was one of the bids with Greece and England to host the 1990 FIFA World Cup but losses by 5 votes to 11 votes to favour to Italy. Curiosly the 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia will celebrate in the same dates that the 1990 edition. [[1]]Nekko09 (talk) 17:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Map

Can someone do a map of stadium locations? Qatar already has one, I would but I don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.19.42 (talk) 16:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop#2018_FIFA_World_CupLihaas (talk) 18:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Venues

Needs to be organised instead of random listings, kinda like the Qatar 2022 page which is sorted by capacity in descending order.Lihaas (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

About the venues, has there been an official reason given as to why all the venues are in the Western part of the country? Inkan1969 (talk) 21:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
There is an overview here http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/33/74/52/b5ruse.pdf on page 11-13, sorted by host city. Moscow has four, the other 12 just one. Yosh3000 (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Podolsk isn't a host city btw (it is in the table at the moment). Yosh3000 (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Free Transportation?

On tv it was mentioned a few times that apparently, there will be free public trasnportation (either in the cities, o to/from the stadiums) during the world cup. Is this true? if so, i believe it should be mentioned. Arg2k (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

If it is true, it will come to light some time over the next 8 years. No hurry. Kevin McE (talk) 23:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
There was plans for a bullet train service to run during the World Cup. However those have been scrapped. TollHRT52 (talk) 13:45, 26 August 2012 (AEST)

Boycott by non-whites

Due to the persistent incidences of Racism, extremism and violence towards non-whites there is now talk of a complete boycott by non-white players, countries and fans of the Russia 2018 world cup (with the resulting negative economic impact for Russia). Russian authorities have stubbornly refused to deal with the Persistent Repeated incidents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.94.87 (talk) 20:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I Saw that you added this to the article. I removed it because it's an unsubstantiated rumour. If you have a reliable source that you can use as a reference, then we could consider adding it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-free file problems with File:SochiOlympicsStadium.jpg

File:SochiOlympicsStadium.jpg is non-free and has been identified as possibly not being in compliance with the non-free content policy. For specific information on the problems with the file and how they can be fixed, please check the message at File:SochiOlympicsStadium.jpg. For further questions and comments, please use the non-free content review page. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 08:44, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

2014 World Cup

If Russia does not qualify for the 2014 World Cup, is it safe to enter the remaining data for Russia's column, containing last time they've qualified, etc.?

--NeedsAboutTreeFiddy (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

New Logo Revealing July 1, 2014

The contest for making the logo has begun today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FallandSpringOlympics (talk • contribs) 22:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Controversies

I added a subsection, following the annexation of Crimea. It could possibly be expanded.--Paracel63 (talk) 17:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Why remove it?

Posts sentence. 　The United States and the U.K. examine cancellation of the broadcast for protest.Scheduled to Canada and Australia also follow.(reason -Servant). Why remove it? The United States is a country of the justice. Masayoshi should perform justice.Should boycott. It should also be canceled aired.The United States and the U.K., please do not watch broadcast!!!!(185.23.17.141 (talk) 07:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC))

I removed it because it's poorly written leaving it incomprehensible and it's unreferenced. Considering you left this talk before I removed it though, are you suggesting that you added it before and it was removed? No, you removed host names of websites and I restored that. Where was it removed and what was the comment left with that revert? Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I see, You added this and along with damaging every reference you added unsupported statements, "The United Kingdom cancels broadcast for protest" and "The United States cancels broadcast for protest". Certainly not true from what I've read. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Controversies section harsh?

I find the "Russian xenophobia" and "Russian annexation of Crimea" sections to be a bit too overt and out of place. Would there be similar "controversies" over the US in any bid they might have to host a major competition over controversial foreign policy decisions they've made? As I'm sure you're aware the narrative of things such as annexation of Crimea often depend on who is writing it. I can't help but think this is just using the world of sport as a political football. This is very different to the controversies over bribing, extreme heat and worker deaths in Qatar, and the billions of dollars the government are believed to have been wasted by many people in Brazil. Those are very well established controversies.

Xenophobia and racism in sport is a problem in many western countries. There are many foreign and black players playing different professional sports in Russia for decades, many move to Russia to play there for various reasons. Without some kind of report that singles out Russia as having particularly bad and problematic xenophobia in sport that is at such an extent that it could pose a problem at the world cup, I find the account a bit incredulous. I bet England would be a lot worse. It sounds suspiciously like the anti-Russian sentiments and stereotypes making the rounds in political discussions recently from people who are opposed to the current United Russia government.

While racism may be a problem in Russia like many other countries, 50 percent of Russian people are not racist, they are normal. Casting black marks over a people like that is exactly like what people used to do when dismissing people in African or other countries as part of racism. Anonywiki (talk) 18:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

If you think it's harsh, fix Russia, not the article.
To find such controversies "over the US", you'd have to have reliable sources to report them like the reliable sources that report them on Russia. It's present in other articles such as Euro 2012, Sochi 2014, the 2014 World Cup and certainly the 2022 World Cup. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:43, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Walter Görlitz claims this is "censorship". To me, it's a pretty clear-cut case of WP:SYNTH or WP:COATRACK as the two sources don't even mention the World Cup and indeed, were even published before the World Cup was awarded to Russia. --NeilN talk to me 04:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh for crying out loud. No proof of SYNTH or COATRACK, simply your opinion. I read the articles and they discuss issues in Russia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
And your opinion is that any article about Russia should include this information? Even when sources are unrelated to said article? Kirin13 (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
My opinion is that the sections were better a few days ago and the links between the topics and the calls for boycotts and other sanctions were more clear then. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Can you point to a revision with your preferred version? Kirin13 (talk) 06:30, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Is close https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=2018_FIFA_World_Cup&diff=612916568&oldid=612812654 Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't address the WP:COATRACK issue in the sentences I attempted to remove. --NeilN talk to me 15:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
You're right, but the problem isn't that this is a coatrack, it's that the issues in Russia are calling for boycotts and sanctions and background is needed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else agree with Walter? --NeilN talk to me 15:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Both the revision & current version have the same paragraphs for "Russian xenophobia". The second paragraph is fine. The first is synthesis/coatrack, as all three sources are completely unrelated to the World Cup. Having a {see also} link is fine. For this article, info should stick to what was directly stated by sources regarding the World Cup. Kirin13 (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, as that's the only material I tried to remove. --NeilN talk to me 15:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Controversies section

There are four more years to this World Cup and Russia will inevitably piss off more people during this time, invariably leading to calls for the World Cup to be moved. Are we going to report on all these calls? If not, what are the requirements to get into the article? --NeilN talk to me 18:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, it needs some "clout" to it. These developments from the German government are quite high profile. But Yaya Toure's call for boycott seems unlikely and offhand, and may well be worth deleting soon. Let's wait for it to become a clear issue on this article before we clean the non-notable out '''tAD''' (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I sure hope we report on all of them, especially if they make the news. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Walter, you may be interested in List of 2018 FIFA World Cup controversies. As I can only imagine that the foreign criticism of Russia will increase before a ball is even kicked, this new article is likely to grow and grow. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Locations map

I noticed that the map being used has been created to include Crimea as part of Russia. Please not that I am not party to any of the politics which is why I would neither favor its inclusion within either entity claiming to be its host. But shouldn't it be the case in these circumstances that the disputed region be colored separately to indicate the disputed status? I see this is often the case with Kosovo which features on Serbian maps but highlighted in a different shade. --The Old Boy In Town (talk) 14:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't know whether you have perfect colour vision, but the map shows Crimea in a different shade of grey to the rest of non-Russia, and not in the yellow of Russia. The changes you want have therefore already been made. '''tAD''' (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
My vision is quite all right thank you very much, the angle of screen however wasn't! I've now adjusted it to look straight on and can see a different shade over Crimea. Sorry for raising a false alarm. --The Old Boy In Town (talk) 15:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2015

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FIFA_WORLD_CUP_2018_RUSSIA_LOGO.png better logo Soccerlover86 (talk) 08:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Not done: the logo will be deleted from Commons. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 11:05, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Russian World Cup Bribery and Corruption Investigations

It looks increasingly likely that the 2018 world cup bidding qualification will be re-run, with this in mind the article will need a specific section dealing with the breaking investigations into the bidding process, I suggest that we collate the various citations here and add the section once more in known. [1] Twobellst@lk 12:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Domenico Scala statement

On 7 June 2015, it was announced that Russia would possibly no longer be eligible to host the event if evidence of bribery was proven. According to Domenico Scala, the head of FIFA's audit and compliance committee: "Should there be evidence that the awards to Qatar and Russia came only because of bought votes, then the awards could be cancelled."[2][3] -- Impsswoon (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Blatters & FIFA Data Seized

On 10th June 2015 Swiss authorities seized computer data from the offices of Sepp Blatter[4]

References

  1. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/fifa/11650428/Fifa-in-crisis-FBI-extends-investigation-to-Russia-2018-and-Qatar-2022-World-Cup-bids.html
  2. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33041467
  3. ^ http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/07/russia-qatar-lose-world-cups-if-bribery-found-fifa
  4. ^ "Swiss police seize IT data from Fifa headquarters", The BBC, 10 June 2015. Retrieved 10 June 2015

'including from British and American politicians'

Why single out any country? Well, OK, USA, but it's not like UK is a world power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.127.120.138 (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

World Power? It had nothing to do with that and everything to do with the fact that no other politicians were prepared to stand up and be counted. Subsequently, that line should stand. Twobellst@lk 15:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Schedule

Because the World Cup is going to take place in November/December, these days can't be right. Could someone please correct it? - Adrio (talk) 09:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It's the 2022 World Cup that's going to be played in November/December, not the 2018 World Cup. Please think before you post. – PeeJay 10:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Cyberbot II has detected links on 2018 FIFA World Cup which have been added to the blacklist, either globally or locally. Links tend to be blacklisted because they have a history of being spammed or are highly inappropriate for Wikipedia. The addition will be logged at one of these locations: local or global If you believe the specific link should be exempt from the blacklist, you may request that it is white-listed. Alternatively, you may request that the link is removed from or altered on the blacklist locally or globally. When requesting whitelisting, be sure to supply the link to be whitelisted and wrap the link in nowiki tags. Please do not remove the tag until the issue is resolved. You may set the invisible parameter to "true" whilst requests to white-list are being processed. Should you require any help with this process, please ask at the help desk.

Below is a list of links that were found on the main page:

  • http://www.change.org/petitions/fifa-dismiss-russia-as-host-of-the-2018-world-cup
    Triggered by \bchange\.org\b on the local blacklist

If you would like me to provide more information on the talk page, contact User:Cyberpower678 and ask him to program me with more info.

From your friendly hard working bot.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 17:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2015

189.190.73.195 (talk) 22:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done Please say what changes you want to be made and why (with source) instead of copying a large quantity from the article. Qed237 (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Area

Ok, so Qed237, the area of the Eatern Europe is much larger than area of the Soviet Union in Europe. SU do not own whole EE. Look, if something was held for example in China, it is also good to mention that it was held in the whole Asia for the first time, right? And not in the area of the former Qing dynasty. Therefore I ask you to stop your (for me) incomprehensible reverts and edits. However, if you really insint on mention of the SU, I guess that: "This will be the first World Cup held in the area of the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and the first to be held in Europe since 2006." should be a good compromise, what do you say? Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Asia has a football confederation and thus its borders in a footballing sense are clearly defined. This is not the same for Eastern Europe. The Soviet Union had set borders, and also had a football team, which makes sense in this case. The Qing Dynasty had no relation to football. '''tAD''' (talk) 13:07, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Now you want to say, that we can mention here only areas bordered in a footballing sense? I do not think so, where can I read about it? Why is then here mentioned: for the first time Arab country and in the Middle East region? Or for example here, the first World Cup tournament staged in North America, if CONCACAF also contains Central American and Caribbean areas? And so on. Jirka.h23 (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Maybe because there exists the West Asian Football Federation (Middle East) and the Union of Arab Football Associations. "North America", in many senses, is used in English to describe all lands of the Americas that are not in South America; that matches CONCACAF perfectly. Plus, you are using the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS fallacy. Something that one ordinary editor wrote or did not write in one temporary revision of one article is no excuse to write or not write the same thing elsewhere. We are writing about football so we use football's definitions, lest we end up saying it is the first World Cup in a country beginning with R. '''tAD''' (talk) 04:44, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2016

FIFA 2018 Tickets :

All Tickets for the 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia™ will be exclusively available for the purchase by the members of the general public on officail website and during the Last Minute Sales Phasemin the FIFA Venue Ticketing Centres in Russia, Price of Ticket vary from $115 to $1100. Imdelu (talk) 05:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Unless you specify what is to be changed we can't do anything. Moreover it looks like you are advertising, am I wrong DatGuy? VarunFEB2003 09:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on 2018 FIFA World Cup. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Article change suggestion.

『2018 FIFA World Cup (The road to hell)』How about?185.23.17.141 (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

 Not done Unnecessary, no reason. SOXROX (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

  • This user is a Lithuanian IP address who, possibly due to understandable historical grievances, has vandalised this article to the extent of blanking the entire thing. A trip to WP:ANI should be advised on the next occasion that such vandalism occurs. '''tAD''' (talk) 10:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

There's a typo in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Should be "but" not "bar." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.101.2.221 (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

That's not a typo, it's a legitimate alternative word. – PeeJay 11:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Arkhangelsk?

Until reading the article today, I was completely sure that Arkhangelsk would be one of the host cities, thus becoming the northernmost World Cup venue ever. Now I see that it not the case. Have I dreamt it, or was Arkhangelsk (or maybe some other northern city) part of early plans for the competition? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2017

The link to the UEFA qualifying rounds unter the Qualification subheader is a link to the 2014 qualifications, not the 2018 ones 2600:8805:D481:2F00:31C9:3E79:C0DE:D7A5 (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Already done in this edit. Gulumeemee (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Error in "Qualification" text

In "Qualifiation" text, UEFA will have 13 qualified teams, not 12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 191.193.107.204 (talk) 20:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for pointing out this error. It has now been corrected. GazThomas402 (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2017

180.244.17.83 (talk) 03:22, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —KuyaBriBriTalk 03:51, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on 2018 FIFA World Cup. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:10, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2017

Change "AFC Third Round Group A Top 2" to "AFC Third Round Group A Winners". Ehsannabiyouni (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Jd02022092 (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on 2018 FIFA World Cup. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on 2018 FIFA World Cup. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Today I found this in relation to this article. Should we be concerned? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

There isn't nearly enough there to be considered a WP:COPYVIO. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 11:12, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Mexico Qualification, 01 September 2017

Should Mexico be added to Qualified Teams after the 01 September matches? All other articles on 2018 World Cup qualifications seem to have this change, unless the table is updated after the hexagonal has been played through completion. 172.113.16.45 (talk) 03:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Already done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:51, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Qualified teams table

The column 5 for Brazil is not correct. Robin rounds in CONMEBOL started for France 1998. Therefore, it should only show 2002. Before 1998, it was in groups format and it does not reflect the same importance as it does a Robin round. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elcucho88 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Column 5 actually refers to performance in the FIFA World Cup, not in World Cup qualifying. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:36, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

See also Talk:2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cup bids

Disruptive all-caps comment requesting a correction to a value in "Previous appearances"
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

SOUTH KOREA IS NUMBER 10 INCLUDING YEAR 2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT NUMBER 9. — Preceding unsigned comment added by In4o2Read (talk • contribs) 08:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

This comment I hid from view refers to South Korea's 9 previous appearances before this event. The values for this column do not include the 2018 World Cup, the upcoming event. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 14:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Argentina

Argentina played the 1930 world cup, played the final game and came second. Please edit the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbonn (talk • contribs) 02:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Add current FIFA ranking

I think it would be nice to add a column showing the current FIFA ranking to the qualified teams table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelco77 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Let's wait until the October rankings are released first. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Myanmar

I'd like to open this discussion on behalf of Super Nintendo Chalmers, who believes the mention of Myanmar playing their home qualifying matches outside the country is unnecessary. However, I believe quite different: Myanmar is a special case as being the only team playing outside the country that appealed a ban initially instated after their elimination from the 2014 World Cup qualifying. The other teams, however, play outside their countries for security reasons, which Myanmar did not share. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 19:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Jd22292, sorry you didn't think I'd done this properly - I hadn't actually remembered whether or not I'd removed this sentence in my first edit here, or just intended do, which is why I went ahead and did it without discussion. It's not a big point really, but it seems like excessive detail to me - I don't see it as warranting a mention on what is a summary of qualification. The mention of other countries is not really an 'Otherstuff' argument, it's an argument that this is not particularly notable: the point is that not being able to play at home is not that unusual or notable, for a range of reasons (Gibraltar, actually, is due to a lack of a suitable stadium rather than security). I don't particularly see how the reason changes that. The point being that this article is only getting longer - there's a lot of things to happen that will be needed on this page. We need to keep it lean and this note would be much better placed at 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification (where I note that it is not currently found - I suggest we shift it there). --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Qualified countries

The reason I am reverting users who change twenty-five to twenty-six before tomorrow's matches is because Russia, as hosts of this World Cup, qualified automatically. Russia never participated in qualifying matches. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 22:43, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Draw Procedures

Wikipedia is WP:NOTAFORUM.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I'm unsure why nobody is really reporting this, but the new plan for the draw seems simpler at first glance, but it's actually more complicated. The specifics of the draw haven't been publicized by FIFA from what I can see [1]. It won't be difficult to implement it fairly, but it might be difficult to do it publicly without an audience becoming confused as to why certain things are happening. This may be the cause of them not having publicized it yet. My question is to whether or not they will since they have a section titled "Draw Procedure", but it doesn't have any procedures. It just has the principles guiding the draw: 1. pots created by ranking 2. geographical diversity within groups.

It's not as simple as just pick a team and put it in group A. Pick another team and put it in group B. It's that simple for the first Pot of 8 teams, but it becomes successively more complicated for each Pot. The reason for this is that, if you just completely randomize it, it would be easy to end up having 2 African teams in the same group, or 2 Asian teams, 2 North American teams, etc, because there are African teams in both Pot 3 and Pot 4, for example.

A set of procedures that would work are as follows:

Pot 1 - pick a team and put it in group B, C etc. Very simple - fill groups in order from B - G.

Pot 2 - a. Fill groups with a South American team from Pot 1 the first and second time a non-South American team is drawn from Pot 2. 

       b. Otherwise fill groups in order from A - G.

Pot 3 - a. Put the first team drawn into the group that Mexico is in unless the first team drawn is Costa Rica. 

       b. If the first team drawn is Costa Rica, put it in the first group available that doesn't have Mexico in it, taking into 
          consideration principle c for Pot 3.
       c. Fill the groups with 2 European teams before filling the groups with 1 European team and one South American team, unless European 
          teams are drawn.
       d. As always, in general, as much as possible fill groups in order from A - G.

Pot 4 - a. Have a special pot for Serbia. There will be either 2 or 3 groups that don't already have 2 European teams. They should draw one of 

          those groups. I know the principle is to draw teams, and not to draw groups, but if you don't do it this way, it will become too 
          complicated for the audience to understand what's happening. If that doesn't matter, the complication is too much to write here, 
          basically.
       b. Don't fill groups that have 2 European teams + 1 South American team until all other groups have been filled.
       c. Always, when possible, fill groups in order from A - G.

Swarbrick85 (talk) 04:24, 17 November 2017 (UTC)Swarbrick85

@Swarbrick85: Please see 2018 FIFA World Cup seeding. The procedure is described there. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 04:29, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/news/y=2017/m=9/news=oc-for-fifa-competitions-approves-procedures-for-the-final-draw-of-the-2907924.html

GROUP F

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Germany's second game is missing.

Bad Match Numbering?

The numbering of matches seems off. For example, the earlier Morocco—Iran game (15 June 2018 18:00 MSK) is listed as Match 4, while the latter Portugal—Spain game (15 June 2018 21:00 MSK) is listed as Match 3. The are more examples like this. Is this deliberate? It seems to me that the numbering of matches should be ordered by time, no? 46.242.10.83 (talk) 01:13, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Upon further investigation, I found out that the times for six games were changed following the Dec 1 draw. That must be the reason for the discrepancy. Shouldn't the match numbers be updated then? 46.242.10.83 (talk) 02:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Numbering is based on the match schedule PDF from FIFA. Matches are not always numbered in order as the initial schedule was released prior to the selection of kick-off times. S.A. Julio (talk) 03:46, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2017

There is a mistake. One of the referees from Oceania in the referees' list is said to be from Thailand. However, he is from French Polynesia. Thailand isn't even in Oceania. I believe this is just a mistake. 89.25.87.226 (talk) 15:19, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Done Winged Blades Godric 15:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Note: Marking as answered. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 15:52, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

"first World Cup hosted in two parts of the World"

I'm not sure what exactly this means, since the 2002 World Cup was hosted in 2 countries.

An unregistered editor based in Russia was apparently unaware of the word continents: now corrected. Kevin McE (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
To say strictly, matches to be played in Yekaterinburg are in Asia indeed, not in Europe: the city is located to the east of the eastern foot of the Ural Mountains (usually considered as boundary between Europe and Asia at these latitudes). Even though this is the only Asian city participating in the World Cup. 95.26.1.160 (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Yekaterinburg claims to be on the boundary between Europe and Asia. Since its in the foothills, that means it's still in Europe, no? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Per FIFA, all of Russia (and Kazakhstan, Turkey etc) is European. It's sort of original research to suggest otherwise. '''tAD''' (talk) 11:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Not exactly. Russia is a member of UEFA, and that's not the same as being European (as well as Australia, being a member of AFC, is not in Asia). Russia is located both in Asia (mostly) and in Europe. 95.24.214.248 (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Do any sources highlight it and make it relevant? It's easy to find references to the first World Cup/Olympics in the Middle East, in Europe, in the Southern Hemisphere, but how many reliable sources bring up the point of the Yekaterinburg stadium making this a transcontinental World Cup? '''tAD''' (talk) 15:51, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Not sure which specific Wiki rules require finding answers to your questions. 2002 FIFA World Cup article notes some firsts, including e.g. hosting by more than one nation. 95.24.209.101 (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I think it's wrong to state that the World Cup will be held only in Europe. This World Cup edition will be held in both Europe and Asia. I think we should edit the article: what do you guys think? --Larry.europe (talk) 18:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I agree we should clearly state that, having one of the venues located in Asia, this will be the first World Cup ever held on multiple continents (Europe and Asia). 109.252.37.152 (talk) 13:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Considering that Russia is about the only country in the world largely recognised as being in two continents (and even that recognition depends on how you define 'continent', as several people link Europe and Asia into Eurasia) is it really that noteworthy that this is the first? Basically you're saying 'this is the first in Russia' 90.207.196.158 (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Typo

"shoops looted" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.199.164.32 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Done, thanks. -- AxG / ✉  12:18, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

About Russian doping scandal

@Cskamoscow100: (and everyone else) I think we should not include it in this article, unless we have more relevant information to show. That incident currently has nothing directly related to the 2018 tournament. 33 footballers out of more than 1000 athletes - I consider it minimal. In fact, Russian football has been largely unaffected by the scandal. Russia banned from 2016 Olympics (partly) and 2018 too (completely), OK, it would be notable in other articles, but not here; also irrelevant is Vitaly Mutko's case, unless FIFA/UEFA bans him. Please share your thoughts. Thanks :) Centaur271188 (talk) 06:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

33 footballers out of more than 1000 athletes in all summer, winter and Paralympic sports. Furthermore, Rodchenkov insists that an entire 2014 Russian World Cup team was juiced. But I agree that it is premature to draw any conclusions because FIFA hasn't contacted Rodchenkov yet. Speaking of Mutko, I think he should be mentioned here because he was banned by the IOC for his role in the doping conspiracy but he's still the Deputy Prime Minister and president of the Russian Football Union. Cskamoscow100 (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Mutko's ban may be relevant to some extent, but that incident alone does not deserve a subsection. If Rodchenkov's claim about 2014 Russia team was investigated and confirmed, it would be surely relevant and notable; but right now, as I said, we have nothing directly related to this article's subject. (Sorry for violating WP:NOTFORUM a little bit) I think FIFA may only take action about that claim after the tournament (that would be catastrophic if the home team were found guilty as charged, only a few months before the Finals), until then we have little thing to improve this subsection. Centaur271188 (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Map of European Russia

Since the FIFA World Cup hosts were announced yesterday, I took a look at the 2018 FIFA World Cup page, and was not very happy with the map, which had been done on the basis of the “Location map+ |Russia”. The reason for this is that all of the proposed host cities are in European Russia, and the in present map the locations are rather crowded, and one does not get a good idea of where the host cities are located.

I thought that if there was a map showing European Russia, things would be much more clear and the map would be more informative.

Could someone do a “Location map+ | European Russia”, which could be used for the 2018 FIFA World Cup page?

Apanuggpak (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Map showing Crimea as grey

It makes absolutely no sense to me. First of all every recognised country in the world except for Russia recognises Crimea as part of Ukraine. Secondly, even if you think it is a disputed, rather than occupied, territory, then it still doesn't match the legend (no one in the world claims Crimea is a separate country). I have no experience in the ways of Wikipedia so I am just putting this out there for someone to fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:255C:BD00:9CA9:A102:E52C:8431 (talk) 19:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2018

I think the broadcasting section on 2018 FIFA World Cup should be changed and elaborated with information of countries which is on the page 2018 FIFA World Cup broadcasting rights . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashjatkp10 (talk • contribs)

 Not done there is no point in duplicating information, especially as that includes some very large tables, both versions of which would have to be updated if there are any changes, which risks the versions becoming out of synch, if this is not meticulously followed.
The article 2018 FIFA World Cup broadcasting rights ids clearly linked as a hatnote to the broadcasting section. - Arjayay (talk) 11:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Add fair play points in group stage ranking tables

For the first time FIFA has added fair play points as a 7th tie breaker criterion. However, it is not easy to grasp these points from observing match details so I suggest to add a new column to the table, Fair Play Points. Gazibara (talk) 12:26, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

If FIFA start adding the fair play points to their group tables, so will we, but until then I see no reason to. The chances of using the SEVENTH tiebreaker to split teams at the tournament is so minute, there's barely any point even acknowledging it. – PeeJay 13:10, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2018

Change "For the branding, a typeface called Dusha (from Душа, Russian for soul) was created by Portuguese design agency Brandia Central in 2014." To "For the branding, typeface and identity where created by Portuguese design agency Brandia Central in 2014. The branding team was lead by Miguel Viana, with Carlos Constantino and José Cerqueira, who have then founded Unlock-Brands in 2017 and have continued doing sports venue branding for world-wide projects. Masofema (talk) 14:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2018

The deadline for teams to submit their 23 player shortlist for the World Cup is June 4th 2018. Lukejrlanger (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor 11:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Error in match schedule for group E (match 10)

I think there is an error in the match schedule for group E. The first match (match 10) is "Czech Republic vs. Qatar". But neither the Czech Republic nor Qatar are part of the group E (in fact they are not qualified for the 2018 World Cup at all). This should be "Costa Rica vs. Serbia" as can be verified by consulting the source. (Unfortunately I am unable to correct this mistake myself as the article is semi-protected and I am not a confirmed user. Would anyone mind taking care of this please ?) This problem seems to affect other Wikipedia articles as well : 2018 FIFA World Cup Group E --Notleo (talk) 12:24, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

The vandalism was on the 2018 FIFA World Cup Group E article and has been reverted. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2018

86.163.185.189 (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

I have noticed that someone has massively changed the actual groups adding countries like New Zealand to the mix and putting Russia with Brazil (in group 2) so this would have to be chnaged

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. WikiVirusC(talk) 21:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Flags in the list of officials?

Shall we add the flags in the list of officials? I think it can make the list easier to read. What do you guys think?
Alexsd27 (talk) 12:05, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The change you are proposing would be to a separate article. The appropriate place to ask would be at that talk page. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 07:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Terrorist threats

Shouldn't "by far the most outrageously stupid threat" be rephrased for a more encyclopedic sentence? -ArgonSim (talk) 10:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2018

Just a technical request, but please link Telegram (service) at its mention in the Terrorist threats section. 2601:589:8000:2ED0:5D7B:EF23:E053:D6C4 (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done — IVORK Discuss 22:30, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Someone votes Module:Sports table/WDL for deletion

An editor wants to delete this module which will all 8 group stage tables in WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 20, please particular on that page, thank you. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 05:47, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Map-in stadiums table or alone?

I think with the map maybe we should do what we did with the 2014 WC, and put it inside the stadiums table. TollHRT52 (talk) 09:29, 30 September 2012 (AEST)

Yeah, I've tried to put it there and on the preview it turned out crap, therefore left it alone. So can someone that knows what they're doing do it please?TollHRT52 (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2012 (AEST)

Controversies

Hi everyone.

As we approach yet another WC tournament, I believe that now is an appropriate time to revisit some key issues (at least IMHO).

I know that this is not the first conversation about this, but I'm trying to resurrect the List of 1998 and 2002 Fifa World Cup controversies articles (see here).

Those of you who followed the process will remember the 2002 article was the subject of two deletion debates, and then closed down and SALTed. Since I believe that controversial incidents are a window into the development and evolution of the game. I hope as many of you as possible will join me in this effort.

Regards. Asoccer maniac (talk) 00:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

This is not an encyclopedia, but a yellow gossip — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.40.116.47 (talk) 18:05, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Doping in Russia

This subsection was created by Cskamoscow100 last December, questioned by me in Talk:2018 FIFA World Cup/Archive 1#About Russian doping scandal, where I suggested removing it because the scandal had no direct relation to Russian football or this tournament, and there was little information available to improve it. Earlier today, Tobby72 placed a specific template in the subsection, therefore I think this talk is worth reviving. Again, I suggest deleting it or hiding it until we have more relevant information to add. @Chanheigeorge, PeeJay2K3, and S.A. Julio: you are all experienced editors, so I hope you will join and give some advice. Thanks :) Centaur271188 (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

The subsection is largely unrelated to the FIFA world cup, so I reduced it. -- Tobby72 (talk) 15:00, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
I agree as well, I don't see direct relevance to the World Cup. S.A. Julio (talk) 08:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Perfect! Now it looks as if doping does not exist within FIFA, just as FIFA would have wanted. Good job boys! /s Nergaal (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
The section wasn't about doping within FIFA, though, but rather the Olympic controversy. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Exactly! There is definitely no doping within FIFA. It would take somebody within FIFA wanting to discuss doping to have any sort of reports on doping. /s Nergaal (talk) 10:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
It's already mentioned in the article [2], so please calm down. -- Tobby72 (talk) 07:53, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Totally nothing to see here. /s Nergaal (talk) 10:23, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Then WP:DIY and WP:BEBOLD, or start a discussion. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
These are just 5 news sources directly talking about doping at the FIFA WC in Russia. Only somebody attempting to hide it under the rug converts a whole section into a 2-row mention. Nergaal (talk) 11:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
I think WP:AGF applies... Let's not have an edit war. I think the point Centaur271188 made still applies, the Olympic controversy seems off topic. S.A. Julio (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

FYI: On 22 May 2018 FIFA confirmed that the investigations concerning all Russian players named for the provisional squad of the FIFA World Cup in Russia had been completed, with the result that insufficient evidence was found to assert an anti-doping rule violation.[3]--Александр Мотин (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nergaal: Sorry, generally, nothing significant to see there indeed. Which important information in those 5 articles should we add? Hajo Seppelt's visa request denied? Controversy about whether FIFA tried to contact Rodchenkov? 33 footballers in McLaren's report... OK, I accept, it is directly relevant to Russian football anyway. Another controversy about whether FIFA regularly contacted McLaren? @Aleksandr Motin: Thanks for your link, it is worth mentioning. @all: I think I will restore Tobby72's original text, then add Aleksandr's later update. Centaur271188 (talk) 19:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Article title: "Critics Say FIFA Is Stalling a Doping Inquiry as World Cup Nears"
Article title: "Russia Blocks Reporter Who Broke Doping Scandal From Covering World Cup"
Quote "The Wada-commissioned report claimed that a minimum of eleven positive tests among footballers had been covered up, and Russia’s entire 23-man World Cup squad were among cases that Fifa are supposed to have been investigating."
These are just quick results when googling FIFA+Russia+World Cup+doping. You can't possibly be serious in saying that all this deserves a 2-line mention in the entire article. Nergaal (talk) 13:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-soccer-worldcup-doping-fifa/russians-to-take-no-part-in-world-cup-drug-testing-fifa-idUSKCN1IP0UK
https://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/fifa-urged-to-intervene-for-journalist-who-exposed-doping-051218-2
http://www.dw.com/en/how-clean-is-russian-football/a-43904755
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/22/sport/peru-paolo-guerrero-world-cup-ban-intl-spt/index.html

Nergaal (talk) 13:18, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nergaal: Firstly, stop mentioning Olympics details in the article, please. Secondly, I am serious. I think incidents like Hajo Seppelt's visa request (later accepted) and controversies about Paolo Guerrero's ban or Werner Franke's comments are not notable or relevant enough here. Anyway, Reuters' link (FIFA excludes Russians from testing procedures) is worth adding to me. Centaur271188 (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree. No more Olympics stories. They're already linked/included and any more stories about the same thing are irrelevant to this article. Any new stories must mention the World Cup, doping and Russia explicitly. 87Fan (talk) 14:42, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Emphasis and unintended implications

As someone trying just to get the basic information reasonably quickly, I've had two problems with the general arrangement of this article, rather than with accuracy or bias.

(1) I think that, while chronologically logical in its present position, the early section about the initial pots from which teams were seeded might be moved further down the page, so that June's actual groups and matches might move up. [A parallel situation often occurs in articles about elections, where the early tentative polling that is quite important as the article is first being composed can swallow up early space first read by later, casual readers who are more interested in the final nominations, the campaign and hard election-day results.]

(2) At first glance, the shading and division of each group can be quite misleading. The first two lines are divided from the other two and shaded in mint-green, with a box saying "Advance to knockout stage". On first sight, this implies, for example, that before a single first-round game has been played in Group A, Russia and Saudi Arabia have won passage to the next round. (Were that the case, there'd be no need for the first round.)

Are there ways to improve these arrangements without asking anyone to rewrite the whole article?—— Shakescene (talk) 06:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

To your second point, I suggest replacing the green shading with a green line between positions 2 and 3 in each table. Then once qualification has been assured, we can start colouring teams in and ultimately remove the line. This used to be done in the past, but the people who knew how to do it have since moved on, I believe. – PeeJay 08:18, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You would have to take this up with WP:WikiProject Football, as it correctly follows the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Competitions. It also looks like 2014 FIFA World Cup, in terms of structure. The highlighting is common for sports in general, as it shows where the places are for advancement. You will see similar style for all league tables on Wikipedia. See 2018 Eliteserien or 2018–19 Premier League for reference (This league is currently ongoing, but the highlighting exists - When a team has become champions, there is generally a (C) placed next to the team, such as in 2017–18 Premier League. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Agreed on no. 2. Someone who follows the game will know what it's intending to mean, but someone who doesn't is most likely to infer that the teams shaded green have already advanced. As the group stage continues, this is only going to get more confusing. -- Hux (talk) 17:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Group Stage green shading may be Confusing

Hi Guys, I'm a relatively experienced follower of the World Cup. And it took me quite awhile to understand the layout of the way the Group stage info is presented. As it now is laid out, Group A suggests to the casual reader that Russia and Saudi will "Advance to the Knockout Stage." Perhaps if the names of Russia and Saudi didn't have a green background, it would be more clear that the knockout stage hasn't been decided yet. The current layout is quite confusing. Scott 205.209.24.211 (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

See conversation above ^. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:51, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
I mean, yeah, there's a conversation above, but is it really that confusing? At first glance, maybe, but more than a second's thought would probably sort things out in your mind. – PeeJay 11:12, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, I'd mention these tables aren't actually on this page, but rather the templates, such as Template:2018 FIFA World Cup Group C table Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
The table says the first matches will be played in the future, so I agree it doesn't seem too confusing. The position numbers on the left could possibly be changed so all teams are listed in first. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
¶ There's certainly room for discussion — which is why I phrased my own points as queries rather than complaints — but two non-specialist readers (Scott and myself †) made the same point within four hours about the misleading layout of the Group tables, so the notion that it should be clear just doesn't hold. Presumably, other readers either didn't (or won't) know that they've misinterpreted the tables' meaning, or else lack either the knowledge or the motivation to contribute to this Talk Page. The test of any advertisement, news report or informational article is not whether it "should be" readily understandable, but whether it in fact is.
† [And, like Scott, I'm not an utter stranger to the Jules Rimet competition, since I constructed most of the Hosts table at FIFA World Cup and have seen three first-round matches with my own eyes (in 1966 and 1994, not counting four Women's Cup matches in 1999 and 2003).]
Sorry (following my own advice) if any of this seems impatient or contentious. I certainly bear no ill-will towards other unpaid volunteer editors. —— Shakescene (talk) 18:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
The thing is, if this is an issue, it's something that isn't simply applicable for the world cup, and would be needed to be changed for ALL football tables, as they have the same layout as here, and should be consistent. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Is that a big problem? There aren't many ongoing tournaments, so to change the green shading for a green line below the two qualifying spots should take mere moments, surely? – PeeJay 09:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm also finding it confusing to see countries in green when they aren't yet definitely qualified. I propose that we change it to be similar as it was during the World Cup Group Stage in 2014. In 2014 Wikipedia had green for countries that would definitely advance and pink for countries that would definitely not advance. Here is an example of how it looked partway through the group round in 2014: http://web.archive.org/web/20140625014637/https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup See especially group F which at that moment had Argentina in green, Nigeria and Iran in white, and Bosnia and Herzegovina in pink. Krubo (talk) 23:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm going ahead and changing this. It will look very slightly different from 2014 because the Template:Fb cl2 team used in 2014 has been replaced by Module:Sports_table, so the dividing line will be gray instead of green. Krubo (talk) 02:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@Krubo: Disagree with the changes, this should be discussed at WT:FOOTY first to gain consensus. The module is never formatted in this way, the common formatting is based off lengthy past discussions. Advancement/elimination before the group stage is completed is denoted with status letters, not in the qualification column. S.A. Julio (talk) 03:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@S.A. Julio: Ok, let's continue this discussion on WT:FOOTY Krubo (talk) 04:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:2018_FIFA_World_Cup/Archive_1&oldid=1142750831"