Talk:2017 Turkish constitutional referendum

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"Turkish authorities block Wikipedia without giving reason". BBC News. 29 April 2017. Retrieved 29 April 2017. One Twitter user noted that the Wikipedia page on Turkey's referendum has a section on "controversies and electoral misconduct", and cites claims that the government suppressed the 'No' campaign through "arrests, control of the media and political suppression".

Can we please delete "Other parties" section?

Why isn't there a subsection dedicated to the positive reception of the referendum?

There are parties in the "Other parties" list that I never heard before, most of them would probably have no impact at the referendum at all.--Joseph (talk) 16:53, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Around half of them seem to have articles and therefore I assume we deem notable. Perhaps delete the ones that don't have articles? Number 5 7 17:10, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Help Me

What does NGOs and other groups mean is it the what they will get or something else for e,g, will they get back the sultan if they vote yes because it is based in the yes section— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.176.31 (talk) 15:08, 14 February 2017‎ (UTC)[reply]

Hi, could you be any clearer in what you wish to ask? Seagull123 Φ 22:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Would they get the sultan back if the yes vote is approved because it sais (osmanoglu family) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.186.194 (talk • contribs)

No, a 'yes' vote would create an executive presidency. Number 5 7 13:08, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting dates

Any idea about the wrong sorting of the dates in the table (click the sorting button)? I cannot figure out how to correct it.79.66.96.17 (talk) 07:36, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You need to use {{Dts}} in the table to make the dates sort correctly. Number 5 7 22:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No "'No' Campaign"?

I don't have any vested interest in this referendum, but I was wondering why the 'No' Campaign section is blank. It is clear from the reception section and the lists of political parties and NGOs that there is opposition to the referendum, but the current lack of a 'No' campaign section makes this article one sided and possibly in violation of WP:NPOV. I would ask editors that are more familiar with Turkish politics to rectify this and include information on the organisation of the 'No' Campaign. All the best. IrishStephen (talk) 17:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the sections were recently added and presumambly the editor meant to come and fill it in later but forgot. Perhaps @Nub Cake: could elaborate? Cheers, Number 5 7 20:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Five Thirds?

The amendment of article 116 states "The President and five-third of the Parliament can decide to renew elections." -- it is not clear to me how 5/3 (that's how I read five-third) is possible. Could this be a translation hickup? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:93A5:1:64D5:AF1E:9CA0:C8DF (talk) 08:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Turkish translation error. We call it "beşte üç", literally "in five, three".--Joseph (talk) 18:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That would be 3 in 5 (in English) and hence 3/5 or three-fifth (or 60%). Arnoutf (talk) 10:15, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not AKP member

According to Turkish law presidents cannot be member of any political party. AKP leader is Binali Yıldırım. Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey)

Where in the article is there a claim that Erdoğan is the leader of AKP? I looked at the contexts of the instances of "Recep Tayyip" and "AKP" in the article and failed to find such a claim. Dorukayhan (talk) 23:43, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

the MHP, which have historically been opposed to an executive presidency

This is not true. Alparslan Türkes was always in favor of an executive presidtial system.84.58.25.196 (talk) 02:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Section Voter fraud

I deleted the section Voter fraud. Even according to the linked sources there was no evidence for voter fraud just unproven claims. The first news article uses photoshopped facebook pictures to "prove" a voting fraud. This is not a credible source. The second source is Milli Gazete; a hardcore Islamist, antisemite and anti-US newspaper who is continuously anti-AKP.

Please, stay neutral! 94.219.61.233 (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'wait for it' - as they say ... the unstamped ballot alone invites all sorts of voter accountability issues, and plenty of RS's will be weighing in 104.169.28.48 (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Add others opinion poll

Hi In Turkish page, there are some of others opinion polls. Coul you add it ? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

result per district

Hey guys could you also add the result by district picture? Thank you. Needbrains (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal #16

Prop. #16 doesn't seem to make much sense.. I can't really understand it. "President gets power to create states". Somewhat ambiguous. Does this mean the President can incorporate territories into the Turkish Republic without parliamentary approval? Can he redraw the boundaries of Turkish regions?

--User:Wh1ter0se(talk) 23:10, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"In the news"

So, "In the News" (on the main page) reports that

"Turkey votes in favour of changing the parliamentary system of government to an executive presidency"

"Turkey" does? "Turkey" did? Are we sure? Is "Turkey" even an identifiable agent in this sentence? In light of the controversy I would suggest a more careful phrasing would be prudent. --dab (𒁳) 15:11, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed amendments translation cleanup needed

Many of amendments need translation cleanup and/or clarification. What does "relations to the military" mean? What are "other powers written in the constitution"? What does "Parliament now detects cabinet and Vice President" mean? What does "The president can issue decrees about executive." mean? Can President have more than one Vice President at the same time? What does "President gets power to create States." mean? Etc. etc.109.163.141.244 (talk) 13:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arithmetical error or explanation needed

Under "Overseas votes" you can find
831,208 yes
575,365 no
1,308,796 valid votes
16,892 Invalid/blank votes

May be I am somehow wrong, but 831208+575365 gives 1406573.
And even 1308796 valid votes + 16892 invalid votes gives only 1325688. However, the difference 1,406,573 - 1,308,796 makes only 97,777 votes and 0.18% of the total result.

I only stumbled upon this, because I wanted to calculate the effect of the votes in Germany
and the site yenisafak.tr shows on the world overview these values for Turkey, which are also shown as the total result (Or I have seen it this way). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.253.181.206 (talk) 00:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lede wording

"A constitutional referendum was held throughout Turkey" is not entirely correct since a substantial number of votes were obtained from persons not resident in Turkey and not voting in Turkey. Any alternative wording suggested? I also wonder if a section needs to be created to cover just the actual referendum day - at the moment we go straight from pre-referendum campaigning onto post referendum commentary. The time period allowed for voting seemed astonishingly short: 9am to 5pm (8am to 4pm for eastern Turkey). Is this common for Turkish voting processes? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The 3 rejected amendments

From:

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_2017#Parliamentary_Constitutional_Commission

does anyone know what was in the 3 rejected proposals?

Darcourse (talk) 12:00, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody clear something up - proposal 14 grants the President powers to appoint up to 4 judges for the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors. But then the article says this proposal rejected by the Parliamentary Constitutional Commission.

Yet under the 'Article Voting' section, proposal 14 (relating to 'High council of judges and prosecutors') is back in there.

What is actually the case? This seems deeply confusing the way it is currently worded.

82.35.169.227 (talk) 16:35, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Map of results by districts

I wonder when it will be created as such district maps were also made for previous elections. Onur T 02:56, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Probably as soon as Nub Cake gets access to Wikipedia again... Mélencron (talk) 03:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nationwide=Global, go in talk page you should open a topic, stop

Hi Claiming that the two are different is an original research. Also, there are result by regions, results of Turkish residents overseas and global results but there are no results for Turkey only. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. They're right here, released officially by the YSK (page 1). Each and every poll gives information on how many provinces and with how many people they were conducted. None were conducted with voters outside of Turkey. I will even cite this PDF as I revert your edit (hopefully for the final time). I hope that concludes the matter.

Also, the word 'nationwide' does not equal the word 'global'. The two are literally opposites. Nub Cake (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nub Cake: in Wikipedia, for example for Opinion polling for the Pakistani general election, 2018, the global result (not the national) is at the botten of the national opinion polls. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This does not mean it is correct. Thanks Nub Cake (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have a solution. Like to Opinion polling for the United Kingdom general election, 2017, we could remove the mention of the results. --Panam2014 (talk) 18:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Μαρκος Δ, Mélencron, and Nub Cake: --Panam2014 (talk) 17:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nub Cake: we should for the opinion poll, all mention to the results, global or nationwide. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:33, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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