Talk:2013 Turkish local government reorganisation

What?

"In other provinces all district centers serve in the district center"

What? Does someone want to reword that to clarify this sentence? Better yet, can we phase out ALL the uses of the word "center" in this article? It's not even made clear what a "center" is. Does this mean "(urban) settlement" within a district, which most everywhere else would simply be called city or a town? "Center" is a highly ambiguous term when we're talking about cities, and particularly when it's not defined anywhere else in the article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning. District center here means a city or town where a sub governor (kaymakam) resides. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

"In other provinces all district municipalities serve in the district center and are independent of the province capital municipality."

This still doesn't make sense. What does "district municipalities serve in the district center" mean? --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Province center municipality

How is a province center municipality not an admiistrative center of a province if it's the "capital city" of the province? And, again "serves to/in" is a strange construction in the English language. I told you I wanted to discuss this. Don't be rude. I've been trying to be helpful since your English skills aren't as good as you think they are, and easily confuses native English speakers. --Criticalthinker (talk) 16:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Have you ever checked the history of my talk page ? More than half of the 70 kB talk is devoted to your talk (sections Serve and Belediye) .At first, I was glad; for I erroneously assumed that you were helping my English. But it turned out that you ’re changing the text. Many times I stressed that in 51 ils (provinces) the municipalities are completely independent of each other. What makes a city the center of an il ? Not because of the municipality; because of the governorship (Vali is responsible for the ll ). This is not news for you because I’ve repeated this again and again. Please don't interfere anymore. I have other things to do . Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I have no problem not speaking to you on your talk page, or even with you here after this. Your explanation is still poor and I don't understand it because you have a poor grasp of the language. I will continue to edit the English version of this article, and you can revert it if you'd like. Just because you understand your mumbling doesn't mean proficient English speakers do. A provincial capital of a province is that province's capital city and administrative center of that province (i.e. where the government of the province is based). My wording did not at all say or even imply that it provincial capitals were on a level higher than that of the district centers or beldes. In fact, I added additional context by showing that they are equal to those two other municipalities by putting them all under the "Second Tier" subcategory of municipalities. That you read my wording to mean that provincial capitals are of a higher status is your poor understanding of the English language, not mine. Your constant sentence construction using "services to/responsible to" is not something we have in the English language, and my wording was better, and I'll add it, and if I must have you locked out of making changes. I tried being nice to you; I'm done with that. --Criticalthinker (talk) 17:24, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

There are not third-tier municipalities. Just because a district municipality is independent of the others in the district does not mean the other belde/town municipalities are another tier. It's a horizontal move in the heirarchy, not a vertical one. --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

For the first time I agree with you. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Even with the change, though, it's still redundant piece of information. I'm genuinely confused by why you seem so adamant about adding it. ANY municipality is only responsible to the urban settlement it covers. The only different between a town municipality and a district municipality is that the latter is the seat of government for the district. A district municipality is no more independent a municipality than a town municipality, yet that piece of information keeps being added back to the description of a district municipality. Simply put, a district municipality is analogous to a county seat where I live. These aren't another level or even really different type of municipal government; they just happen to be where the government of the county is located; that's really all that needs to be said. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Merging this article into "Local government in Turkey#History"? Good idea?

Wouldn't it be a better idea to have this page merged into a "History" section of Local government in Turkey? Reorganization of the municipalities is very important in Turkish local administration history because it also arguably had power grab as its motive, but I'm not sure it deserves a seperate article when one on Turkish local government exists already. Gwro (talk) 14:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd definitely support that. I'd also support Turkish wikipedians correcting all the things I don't quite understand nor could get across in the edits I've made, for instance, better differentiating between district local governments and city ones. Criticalthinker (talk) 11:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Criticalthinker oh yeah local governments are a hard one to explain. the best I can explain it to people who aren't familiar with Turkey is: think of the municipality as seperate from the city/district/province whatever. they're not one and the same. It's best to think of the municipality as a private company contracted to provide services in an area, it's not an administrative division but rather a company that has jurisdiction in an area, an area that doesn't have to line up with any administrative boundary.

the district/province local government difference is even funnier because its existence depends on the population: if the province HAS a metropolitan municipality, that metropolitan municipality, or the city municipality, whichever term you want to use, is highest in the municipal hierarchy and can overrule most decisions other municipalities take. it has jurisdiction province-wide while the district municipalities have jurisdiction within their district (and absurdly this time around the borders of the municipality's jurisdiction line up with administrative divisions)

if the province DOESNT HAVE a metropolitan municipality, the city and district municipalities are legally the same with the same duties and powers, and there exists no hierarchy. every municipality is independent in its own right. in such provinces, the municipality borders do not have to line up with any administrative divisions, so only the main settlement, or district/provincial center, generally but not always bearing the name of the settlement it serves, will be served by the municipality. how about villages or settlements far away from the center, you say? well, two options, there's a governorship-operated called the special provincial administration in these provinces, so either this agency will provide service or a seperate municipality will be established exclusively for settlement in question Gwro (talk) 04:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)