Talk:2011 England riots/Archive 3
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Social Networkings role
Not much at all on facebook/twitters/blackberries role in this in terms of word of mouth.
Facebook support group for the Met http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Supporting-the-Met-Police-against-the-London-rioters/152937041453243 I think this deserves a mention to definately raise awareness.
Number of members needs to be amended on a continuous basis
Looters showing the 'spoils of war' on social networking sites (assuming this is a genuine picture) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023667/London-riots-Looter-posts-photo-booty-Facebook.html?ito=feeds-newsxml --Canhazanonymous (talk) 00:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- No evidence it's a genuine picture, and the Daily Mail is not a reliable source. No evidence that people were coordinating riots on Twitter either - I saw that pic on Twitter, but only posted by someone else who claimed it was a riot pic. This sounds like just a "Daily Mail blames the Internet" story, not at all suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Mdwh (talk) 22:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Here's citation for Public reaction section: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Supporting-the-Met-Police-against-the-London-rioters/152937041453243 . This page called "Supporting the Met Police against the London rioters " and it has more than 850,000 people. Please fix it. --92.37.204.161 (talk) 22:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I agree thare is no indication the photo in question is genuine, bu to suggest that the Daily Mail is not a reliable source is absurd - it is as relevant as any other newspaper which are widely quoted in thousands if not millions of articles on WP. In addition, regardless of the authenticity of the picture, the caption is still relevant - police believe such pictures (genuine or otherwise) are an incitement to further looting. TicketMan - Talk - contribs 07:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Semi-protection
Too many well-meaning edits that are throwing in trivial examples of what has happened, but more importantly too much vandalism from a number of different IP addresses. Blocked as indef until things settle - might be a while. violet/riga [talk] 21:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Fatality in Croydon
Reports of shooting in Croydon, not seen on news sites yet but tweeted by ITV News ITV News Reports that a man has been shot in the head and killed in Croydon tonight. --AndrewTindall (talk) 22:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Still nothing I've seen yet. violet/riga [talk] 22:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sky now reporting a non-fatal shooting in Croydon. likely to be this same incident.--AndrewTindall (talk) 22:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed non fatal BBCs live feed states "2335: Police at the scene of the Croydon disturbances are investigating a "non-fatal" shooting, according to a source.
No more details are immediately available. " BBC London riots live feed --Canhazanonymous (talk) 23:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
A 26-year-old man shot in a car in Croydon last night has died in hospital, Scotland Yard says. [BBC] --AndrewTindall (talk) 11:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from 798blue798, 8 August 2011
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bromely has been attacked. reeves corner has been burnt down. This dredfull attack is scaring chilldren that dont deseve to go through such devistation to their home. 798blue798 (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- The article is being updated as and when we get sources. If you have any links to help us then do please post them here. violet/riga [talk] 22:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Local press on rioting in Bromley: http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/9184210.UPDATE__Richer_Sounds_smashed_in__Bromley_High_Street_and_Bromley_South_closed/. Fences&Windows 23:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit Request - Sock
It should be noted that the gun that was supposedly Duggan's was found wrapped up in a sock in his car. Patrick Barkham and Jon Henley (August 8, 2011). "Mark Duggan: profile of Tottenham police shooting victim". The Guardian. Retrieved 8 August 2011.
- I can't seem to find anything that supports that in that article. violet/riga [talk] 22:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
corrected broken link for guardian --Canhazanonymous (talk) 23:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- "Stafford Scott, a community leader who was outside the police station, said:
- "We do not believe that Mark was bad enough or mad enough to come out of a car and
- want to shoot at armed police officers.
- Our information … is that the gun found there was found in a sock,
- meaning it wasn't prepared for action."
- "
However this is not NPOV - contrast this report of a previous incident in the same area
- The loaded firearm was concealed in a sock behind the wheel of the car –
- guns are often hidden in socks because
- people carrying them are less likely to leave fingerprints,
- whilst when firing the sock can catch a bullet casing.
--195.137.93.171 (talk) 01:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Note also that the injured officer may have been undercover - in plain clothes.--195.137.93.171 (talk) 02:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
London map
So, where are the locations?--93.137.203.29 (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
There are several maps of London on sites with crisis points shown. We outside of the UK would like to see where is that happening, compared to where is the center of London if possible. Thanks, --93.137.203.29 (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've added a link to London borough - not perfect but it may be helpful. I considered adding more places on the map that currently only shows Tottenham but they are too close together to make it look right. Someone else might wish to try with a large version of the map. violet/riga [talk] 22:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Handy map of confirmed riot locations: "London riots / UK riots: verified areas". Stanley Oliver (talk) 23:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that qualifies as WP:RS - it is entirely unclear where it is sourced from. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- This is no longer being updated, but directs to a Guardian page - "'UK riots: every verified incident". Raevn (talk) 23:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Handy map of confirmed riot locations: "London riots / UK riots: verified areas". Stanley Oliver (talk) 23:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- here's the map:
Please see #Riot locations for map below, similar thread to this. A list of coordinates is what is needed really.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit request -Leeds incident unrelated please remove
This BBC report makes it clear that the Leeds incident is unrelated to the subject of this article. I have tried to delete it from the article twice, but my attempts have both been reverted. Are we going to include in this article all local and unrelated incidents that occurr tonight - anywhere? FactController (talk) 23:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I just chastised a dog, does that count? violet/riga [talk] 23:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Bugger all to do with the riots. I don't seem to be able to edit the article anymore :( --Canhazanonymous (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC) leeds was an unrelated incident just coincidental pls remove
Liverpool?
BBC News just reported that some problems are happening in Liverpool now. Nothing worth adding yet but perhaps in the future. violet/riga [talk] 23:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Sky News have shown video footage but currently unverified.
"0059: Merseyside Police confirm they are dealing with a number of incidents in South Liverpool, including cars being set alight. Members of the public have been advised to avoid Smithdown Road, Lodge Lane and Upper Parliament Street. In a statement, Merseyside Police's Andy Ward said: "Officer have tonight dealt with a small number of incidents of violence across the city. We will not tolerate any violence on the streets of Liverpool and have taken swift and robust action in response." via BBCs live feed --Canhazanonymous (talk) 00:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Feel free to add it to the article if you can find and reference a reliable source, I've a feeling that tomorrow this page will be moved to "2011 United Kingdom riots" :( 12bigbrother12 (talk) 00:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I think we'll have "2011 England riots" before then! violet/riga [talk] 00:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Feel free to add it to the article if you can find and reference a reliable source, I've a feeling that tomorrow this page will be moved to "2011 United Kingdom riots" :( 12bigbrother12 (talk) 00:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Can't add it. I think the protection level is too high for me :P --Canhazanonymous (talk) 00:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Article needs to be renamed to '2011 United Kingdom riots' 2.102.43.214 (talk) 00:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Not really Toxteth. The areas seems to be Edge Hill, Wavertree all to the North of Toxteth by a few yards.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Article name should be changed
See "Requested move" and "Requested move: part 2"
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The riots are no longer contained to London. They've spread to Birmingham and possibly Liverpool. This article therefore needs to be moved. 2.27.5.50 (talk) 00:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC) Might I suggest 'The Duggan riots'
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Article up for deletion - please debate there and do not remove template
Speedily kept
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The result of the proposal was: speedy keep. I've put this article up for deletion as I do not believe Wikipedia should have a current events news article such as this (Calling it '2011 London riots' etc). Please debate there. Matt Lewis (talk) 00:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC) Vote keep. This was debated earlier. --Canhazanonymous (talk) 00:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
What is wrong with debate? The admin Violet/riga is a a contributor here - he/she gave it a speedy keep - no one else did. I seemed to me to be a deliberate stifling of debate, so I will undo it (I'll try again - it didn't seem to work - perhaps you could help Violet?). The article will merely have a delete template - no great shakes. Nobody must try and prevent debate - a speedy keep is not for this kind of thing (only for acts of Afd use-abuse really). Please remember that people here are not journalists, and the article is potentially damaging - and whether Wikipedia can do this right now needs serious debate. The whole question of media coverage is in question. In my view it is not Wikipedia's place to report breaking news like this, no matter how exciting it may be. Things are apparently happening in Liverpool now - let's just calm down shall we? This is (or was) an enyclopedia. Matt Lewis (talk) 00:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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UK riots 2011
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This is spreading and seems to be getting worse. This is not just a London issue now. Liverpool, Leeds, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester. Where next? I hope it does not spread into Wales.
Name of article probably should be changed to English or UK Riots 2011. August 8-9, 2011, rioting is not confined to Greater London, but extends to Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol. Lahaun (talk) 02:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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- Support renaming to 2011 riots in England - best to wait, but for those of you who don't know their geography "UK" involves Northern Ireland; British riots - the island of Britain; so English riots is the correct title at this point.86.42.206.248 (talk) 07:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)