Talk:2001 American Memorial

2001 American Memorial has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: May 23, 2016. (Reviewed version).

A fact from 2001 American Memorial appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 September 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the CART motor racing series changed the 2001 German 500's name to the American Memorial following the September 11 attacks?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/September.

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Johanna (talk · contribs) 15:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth on my "to review" list. Johanna^{(talk to me!)} 15:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Johanna: It's been nearly a month; are you still planning to review this? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 23:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bentvfan54321: Yes I am! The page must have been left off my watchlist or something. I will put up comments as soon as I can. Johanna^{(talk to me!)} 00:48, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Is the infobox file some sort of official image? I can't tell from the file description page.

It's a map of the track's layout. In the auto racing WikiProjects, this is usually the image that goes in the infobox. (See my my Featured Articles: 2010 Sylvania 300 and 2006 UAW-Ford 500. They're both NASCAR races instead of CART, but it's the same idea.) --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know absolutely nothing about auto racing, but from the perspective of a casual reader, I can say that I have no idea what "points" are. I'm not sure if it's worth it to briefly explain or not, but just take that into consideration.

Points toward the series championship are accumulated by drivers at every race, with the winner receiving the most and the folks at the back receiving very few or none at all, depending on the auto racing series. It's similar to the Premier League if you follow football (soccer) at all. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"the September 11 attacks occurred." This is a bit of an awkward construction--perhaps you can change it up a bit.

Done? --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"The series"? Is this what one refers to CART as?

Yes, CART is an auto racing "series" in the same way as NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series is, CART just doesn't put "series" in their name. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

General comment: a few files of some of the important drivers of the race might help spruce the article up a little bit.

Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can't expect readers to remember which day the Thursday of that week was, so replace that with the date.

Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"The pole position went to de Ferran, who..." Restructure this sentence, particularly the latter half.

Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Split refs into two columns.

Done --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bentvfan54321: Wow! This is really an exemplary article. I really don't have much to say. Clear this up and I'll be happy to pass. Johanna^{(talk to me!)} 02:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Johanna: Thanks! I'll see what I can do soon. --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done everything, let me know if you want anything else amended. Thanks, --Bentvfan54321 (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bentvfan54321: Wonderful work! Pass. Johanna^{(talk to me!)} 04:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of "template:flagathlete" as Manual of Style; redundancies

A few days ago, I noticed that the results of the 2001 American Memorial listed here under "Classification / Race" includes the name of the country of each driver, constructor and engine manufacturer in parenthesis, despite the country itself being already noted through the nation's flag, due to the use of Template:Flagathlete. I proceeded to fix this redundancy through an edit that used a different template, but this edit was reverted under the premise that it "broke the code for the sortable table" (which is fine and fair) "and going against MOS".

I don't really agree with the last part, considering the widely used method in racing pages (especially on IndyCar/CART and other Indy-style events) has been to just use Template:Flagicon for the nations, which allows to see the identity of the country by putting the cursor over the flag, and avoids the redudancy of having the country's name apart from the flag. Due to this being a "good article", it would be helpful to know if this particular page holds itself to a different standard compared to any other racing article (including those under the same "good article" consideration that also uses FlagIcon, i.e: 2011 IZOD IndyCar World Championship), what's the established MOS on this specific issue, and why's only followed on here.

I used flagicon when I originally added the table in and don't recall changing the style personally, although I wouldn't swear that I didn't as it's been a while since the table was first introduced. If it's a concern for you, I suggest bringing it up at WT:MOTOR, as they'll likely have a preferred convention for making the articles consistent. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]