Talk:2000-watt society

	Environment portal This environment-related article is part of the WikiProject Environment to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the environment. The aim is to write neutral and well-referenced articles on environment-related topics, as well as to ensure that environment articles are properly categorized. Read Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ and leave any messages at the project talk page.EnvironmentWikipedia:WikiProject EnvironmentTemplate:WikiProject EnvironmentEnvironment
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Climate change Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Climate change, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Climate change on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Climate changeWikipedia:WikiProject Climate changeTemplate:WikiProject Climate changeClimate change
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
If you are looking for ways to improve this article, we recommend checking out our recommended sources and our style guide

Urban studies and planning B‑class Low‑importance

	Architecture portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Urban studies and planning, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Urban studies and planning on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Urban studies and planningWikipedia:WikiProject Urban studies and planningTemplate:WikiProject Urban studies and planningUrban studies and planning
B	This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Energy Low‑importance

	Energy portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Energy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Energy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnergyWikipedia:WikiProject EnergyTemplate:WikiProject Energyenergy
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Switzerland Mid‑importance

	Switzerland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Switzerland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Switzerland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SwitzerlandWikipedia:WikiProject SwitzerlandTemplate:WikiProject SwitzerlandSwitzerland
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Units

2000 watts per what? year? hour? day? (Pardon my ignorance, but this is such a basic piece of info and should be prominent in the article, yet isn't stated anywhere as far as I can see; sorry, also don't have time to search for this myself.) Brockle 14:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Watt is Energy per Time (better: Joule per second). It is not Watt-hour or other energy units. Cate |_Talk 15:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i.e. 2,000 watts = 7,200,000 joules/hour Gralo 16:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you guys, I read this article too, and was like, uhhhh, help? Perhaps if someone who understood that (units) could through it out there when they had time, that would be excellent. Wayfarer 16:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just revised the intro to include a comparison to kilowatt-hours. Hope that might help... Gralo 17:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would it help if someone added that 2000 watts is equivalent to 2kWh per hour? Dilaudid (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What we are addressing here is an equivalent, average total energy consumption number, expressed in electric terms. The 2000 watts level here is equivalent to twenty 100 watt light bulbs burning continuously.

Watts times Hours equals Watt-Hours
divided by 1000 equals KWHr

2000 Watts equals 2KWhr per Hour.

The key issue here is that we are not discussing energy use at any particular time, but the average for a whole year. And not just in the home, but all the energy use by the whole society, divided by the population size. -69.87.204.203 (talk)

Very interesting approach and very hopeful for the planet. People need to be conscious about their own energy consumption. The 2000 watt could be a start, but maybe it should be better related to fuel comsumption (i.e. a 50 liter fuel tank; how many watts is it ?; i.e. translate my home electrical energy consumption in fuel liters; i.e. how many 50-liter-tank I spend as an airline 1xpassenger to travel on vacation from Europe to Caribean ??). Also this energy meassure system needs to be linked to family planning meassures and countries population control, otherwise countries like Chine or India would be allowed to a huge energy consumption. Another point is to differenciate the source of the 2000 watts, dirty energy or renewable one. GRA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.33.2.101 (talk) 15:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction with List of countries by electricity consumption

This article doesn't match well with this oneList_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption, seems the Swiss already use less than 2000 watts per person. --71.7.172.240 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I almost made the same objection, but then I noticed that, while the Swiss use less than 2000 watts electricity per person, the 2000-watt society is about overall energy consumption. The swiss use 4952.4 watts total. See list of countries by energy consumption per capita. -- Waveguy (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Yorker Article a reputable source?

The number "12,000W" comes from a single New Yorker article. Is that a valid reference?

Dead link

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

http://www.novatlantis.ch/pdf/leichterleben_eng.pdf
- In 2000-watt society on 2011-05-25 06:57:38, 404 Not Found
- In 2000-watt society on 2011-06-10 04:56:45, 404 Not Found

--JeffGBot (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link 2

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

http://www.2000watt.ch/data/downloads/Weissbuch.pdf}}
- In 2000-watt society on 2011-05-25 06:57:38, 404 Not Found
- In 2000-watt society on 2011-06-10 04:57:02, 404 Not Found

--JeffGBot (talk) 04:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

licentious energy consumption far beyond aspiration of sustainability

A recently published article at http://www.empa.ch/plugin/template/empa/3/136315/---/l=2 , reporting the current status of the 2000-watt society project for Switzerland, reveals it is far beyond a "...Long Way to Sustainability", closer to licentious energy consumption.

We just received our energy bill for the months of March and April 2013 here in Southern Finland where we live, and have enjoyed a much snowier winter than usual for the past 18 years we have lived here, with fewest hours of sunshine in 50 years.

Our bill shows we, a couple living comfortably in a townhouse (100 sq. m) of a suburban/rural community, consumed an average of 245 kWh (123 kWh/person) of electricity per month, for the two months specified. That is roughly one third (1/3) of the 360 kWh target of the 2000-watt society, assuming the distribution of consumption by the Swiss cohort continues with one quarter of energy going towards electricity.

If we are to have even a hope of achieving sustainability, we must at least recognize the truth of the licentious Western norm of modern lifestyle and consumption, just as it is true that the society of the United States obviously does not care. Kdarwish1 (talk) 06:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC) test feedKdarwish1 (talk) 04:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Topic confusion

This article is about limiting energy consumption. There are many references to where that energy comes from which is off topic. eg: electricity generation from renewable energy sources, and vehicles using natural gas, hydrogen and biogas. The use of renewable energy sources, microgeneration and related technologies. In the See Also -

   Low-carbon economy
   Carbon footprint
   Peak oil
   Making Sweden an Oil-Free Society
   Avoiding dangerous climate change

Conversely more info about possible ways for people to reduce their consumption would be welcome. Dougmcdonell (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on 2000-watt society. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090111061314/http://www.basel.ch/en/basel/urban_development/2000_watt_society to http://www.basel.ch/en/basel/urban_development/2000_watt_society

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:38, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified (January 2018)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on 2000-watt society. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090224105623/http://www.bfe.admin.ch/forschungnetze/01223/index.html?lang=en to http://www.bfe.admin.ch/forschungnetze/01223/index.html?lang=en

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 03:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]