Talk:20–50 club
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- ... that Rickey Henderson was the first American League player to join the 20–50 club?
- Source: "Became the first AL player to hit 20 home runs and swipe 50 bases ..." (ESPN)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KZJO
—Bagumba (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC).
- Maybe additional context and/or a rewording is needed for the benefit of non-North America/East Asia readers, as well as for non-baseball fans? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:: Is there formal guidance on this, as hooks always seem across the board w.r.t. providing context. Randomly looking at the current set, "... that Shō Sen'i was overthrown in favor of his thirteen-year-old nephew?"[1] doesn't say who this person is, where it happened, or when. I always took this as a DYK standard to give creative liberty on how much/little context might draw interest to the hook. Still, "baseball" can be fit in somewhere, if needed. But is there benefit beyond "OK, I still don't understand this, but it's a sport I don't care about"?—Bagumba (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Recently, there has been some pushback against hooks that rely on "obscure US sport terminology" (to quote AirshipJungleman29), and the hook as currently written may be too reliant on American readership in this case. I understand baseball is a fairly popular sport in parts of the world, which is why the hook angle itself isn't unsalvageable. It's just that it might need some slight rewording for the benefit of audiences. It could be as simple as adding "baseball player" before Henderson's name, or perhaps something else. Anything to encourage readers to click on the bolded link, while also not being too technical to turn away readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: In this case, "20–50" is not basic baseball terminology either, so the goal is to get curious readers—even American baseball readers—to click because they did not already know what it was. Here's an ALT w/ baseball:
- ALT1 ... that Rickey Henderson was the first American League baseball player to join the 20–50 club?—Bagumba (talk) 10:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: In this case, "20–50" is not basic baseball terminology either, so the goal is to get curious readers—even American baseball readers—to click because they did not already know what it was. Here's an ALT w/ baseball:
- Recently, there has been some pushback against hooks that rely on "obscure US sport terminology" (to quote AirshipJungleman29), and the hook as currently written may be too reliant on American readership in this case. I understand baseball is a fairly popular sport in parts of the world, which is why the hook angle itself isn't unsalvageable. It's just that it might need some slight rewording for the benefit of audiences. It could be as simple as adding "baseball player" before Henderson's name, or perhaps something else. Anything to encourage readers to click on the bolded link, while also not being too technical to turn away readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Still awaiting a review.—Bagumba (talk) 15:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: What makes this meet WP:NLIST?--Launchballer 13:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: The cited sources demonstrate WP:LISTN:
One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines
—Bagumba (talk) 13:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)- Alright. Long enough, new enough. Earwig is clean and QPQ is done. ALT1 checks out, though I'd trim it to "baseballer" for concision. I see no reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. Let's roll.--Launchballer 15:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Thanks for the input. Re: "baseballer", as this is an American-related topic, MOS:TIES advises the use of American English, and thus "baseball player" (AmE uses -er for verbs like "bowl", "climb", "golf", but there's no "to baseball", "to basketball", "to football", etc.) If you're fine, can you place the {{subst:DYKtick}} approval marker? Thanks in advance.—Bagumba (talk) 20:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Alright. Long enough, new enough. Earwig is clean and QPQ is done. ALT1 checks out, though I'd trim it to "baseballer" for concision. I see no reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. Let's roll.--Launchballer 15:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: The cited sources demonstrate WP:LISTN:
- @Bagumba: What makes this meet WP:NLIST?--Launchballer 13:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Why is this an article?
[edit]The 20-50 club seems incredibly arbitrary for an article. As a baseball fan I have never seen this club mentioned before while 30-30 and 40-40 are both often discussed. Smoceany2 (talk) 14:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:NLIST says:
That other clubs are more popular doesn't make this non-notable. We follow the sources. —Bagumba (talk) 14:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines