Talk:1st Missouri Infantry Regiment (Confederate)

No information

There really isn't any more information on this Regiment. I've scoured the internet for something, but this is about it.

I've included the lists of people in the unit in the external links. This is pretty much all that exists on the topic.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1st Missouri Infantry (Confederate)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Eddie891 (talk · contribs) 19:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I can take this on. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• While not all engagements need years in the lede, some could be useful, particularly the formation date
  • Done
• What's the logic behind having 1st and 4th Missouri Infantry (Consolidated) here and not at it own article (BTW that page should redirect here)?
  • @Eddie891: - Do you think that content should be split into a separate article? I strongly considered that in the expansion of this article, but decided against it (easier to split off later than to split off sooner and merge back). If so, I'll withdraw this nomination, perform the split, address these points, and then renominate. Hog Farm (talk) 01:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

    Hog Farm, I'm not positive about a split, I just think it may pose logistical issues when (presumably) the 4th Missouri Infantry gets an article (i.e. why cover it in the 1st over the 4th page? Personally I'd be more comfortable with a split for that reason, I think there's enough content for both, but if you'd rather keep it, by all means tell me. The best way to decide would be to look at other articles. Is there precedence to combine the consolidated page with another? How about splitting? On the whole, my gut tells me a split would be better... Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

    • Eddie891 - I'm going to withdraw this nomination to execute the split. I'm going to be trying to create articles for regimental deadlinks, and the 4th Missouri Infantry will hopefully be one of my projects. I think it's best, especially since most of the sources distinguish between the 1st and the consolidated regiment. I don't know how long it will take me to split it off and then rework the article (reflect split in lead, make the ending cohesive, etc.), so I am withdrawing this nomination until I can get the split executed. Hog Farm (talk) 01:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

      • @Eddie891: - UPDATE: I think I've got all of the split stuff done. I don't think it needs to really be withdraw now, they're both in pretty good shape. Hog Farm (talk) 02:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

• "After being exchanged," what sort of exchange? Prisoner exchange perhaps?
  • Linked
• the regiment was reformed" as the consolidated regiment or the 1st?
  • As the consolidated regiment. I'm really starting to think maybe this should be split
• "were outside of Missouri," -> "were from outside of Missouri"?
  • Corrected
• Don't think you need to say the state after the city after the first mention (i.e. "St. Louis, Missouri" -> "St. Louis"
  • My personally instinct would be to have St. Louis, Missouri to indicate that it is separate from St. Louis County, Missouri. The city is a separate legal mention, added Missouri after the first usage.
• could use size (i.e. how large was a company? What about a regiment?)
  • I'll see what figures I can find
    • Done, it's in the legacy section.
• "In August," -> "In August 1862"
  • Actually "In August 1861"
• "The regiment was finally issued weapons" unless there's a significance to how late it was, which I don't see
  • Removed
• " Bowen was promoted to Brigadier General" ranks should be de-capitalized when not directly in front of a person, this occurs a couple of times.
  • Correcting as I find them
• "and would be in Bowen's brigade along" when?
  • Added the date at the beginning of the sentence
• "Peach Orchard" any relation to The Peach Orchard?
  • Nope. Different battle, different year, different state
• " At Shiloh, the regiment lost 48 men killed, 130 wounded, and 29 missing, for a total of 207 losses" any way to not say loss(es) twice?
  • Simply dropped the second usage
• You could afford to break up the paragraphs somewhat
  • I've broken where I felt logical, if the breaks don't seem logical to you, I can try again.
• "After the Confederates abandoned Corinth," Link? Date?
  • Corinth is linked in the Shiloh section, I'll need to hunt down a date
• " is believed to be incomplete" by who?
  • Attributed
• "Colonel Riley would commanded"
  • Done, and fixed in several similar places
• "leave the field in good order" what does good order here mean?
  • Clarified
• What about the prisoner exchange? Was it common practice? "until the prisoner exchange process was officially completed." we never heard about it being started?
  • Rephrased. Technically, when paroled, they basically promised not to fight until they were exchanged. I've rewritten the clause
• "during the Atlanta Campaign" dates?
  • date added
• Could overall use more illustration
  • I'll add an image of Bowen, relevant as the first colonel. If this gets split, I'll look and see what the new text-image ratio is
• "when he was fell"?
  • Removed the was
• "ordered to Mobil, Alabama" Do you perhaps mean "Mobil"?
  • Should have been Mobile

That's it for a first pass, nice work per usual. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding: I'd still like to see the approximate size of a confederate regiment listed. Darkest Days of War is available online here with free registration, recommend linking. Sourcing from that book seems to line up; AGF on offline books. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I've linked Cozzens to the internet archive as suggested. I'm struggling to find muster strength for the regiment. Some of these records just no longer exist, especially for Confederate units in this theater of war. The closest number I can find to muster strength is 850 at Shiloh. I'll add that. If desired, I can try to dredge through the Official Records again. Hog Farm (talk) 02:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Ideally, a regiment was 1,000 men, but that didn't happen more often than it actually did, so I'm not sure what value that statistic is. Hog Farm (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hog Farm, Could be worth adding that and simply say 'it was very uncommon that a regiment would be at full strength'. Regardless, this article is now well written, referenced, illustrated, contains no copyvio, and otherwise meets the GA criteria. I'm happy to pass as it stands. Nice work Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the 1st Missouri Infantry Regiment (Confederate) was the first unit from Missouri to officially enter the Confederate States Army? Source 1 in the text (McGhee 2008)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mexican National Cruiserweight Championship
• Comment: If possible, can this run on June 22? Date of the regiment's original muster was June 22, 1861.

Improved to Good Article status by Hog Farm (talk). Self-nominated at 02:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC).

• New GA, and everything checks out. QPQ done. I agree that this should be moved to the Special Occasions holding area. Moonraker (talk) 03:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I formatted this template after the page move. The hook has a lot of repetitive wording ("Missouri"..."Missouri"..."Confederate"..."Confederate"). Yoninah (talk) 23:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• Not sure how to fix this. The most unique thing about the unit was that it was the first Confederate unit from Missouri, so they called it the First Missouri Confederate (most duh name ever). Aside from piped linking out (Confederate), I'm not sure how to solve this. Hog Farm (talk) 00:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Hog Farm: well, I think the first thing to do is pipe the link. But you have a lot of information to add to the hook. You could write for example:
• ALT0a: ... that more than 1,000 men fought in the 1st Missouri Infantry Regiment, the first unit from the state to officially enter the Confederate States Army?
• Or go with another fact. Yoninah (talk) 10:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: I like alt0a. Since this is running on a special occasion, I'd prefer to have a hook related to the muster, since that's relevant to the date. Hog Farm (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks. Moonraker, could you review ALT0a please? Yoninah (talk) 13:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• New GA, ALT0a is factually okay. Wasn’t it commonplace for a Civil War regiment to have more than a thousand men? If it were my call, I should just pipe out the first Confederate in the main hook. But your call, Yoninah. Moonraker (talk) 18:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• 1,000 men was the standard size for a regiment in the ACW, although that rarely happened, especially late in the war. Hog Farm (talk) 19:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks, Moonraker. Hog Farm likes ALT0a, so we'll go with that. Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)