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Disputed

Most of the incidents named here come from the book "Massacres of Tamils". A book made by the NESOHR, which is an organization established by the LTTE; a group which is designated as a terrorist organization in 32 countries. I think only incidents confirmed by secondary sources should be mentioned. — Preceding YaSiRu11 (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC) comment added by YaSiRu11 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are enough other reliable sources which corroborate the accuracy of the 1985 Trincomalee massacres (see the other references, particularly the ones in the introduction and lead).Oz346 (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relpy

I'm not talking about the incident in general, I'm talking about particulars of events. For example,

"More than ten people from Anpuvalipuram, who had gone in search of firewood never returned home. Their bulls and carts were found later. And their deaths were attributed to the home guards or the military. "

Are there any other sources to prove this?. You can't use LTTE published materials to prove such an event.YaSiRu11 (talk) 03:12, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well firstly NESOHR are not the same as the LTTE, an armed group, so you can't just make a statement like that with no evidence. Did the members of NESOHR take part in armed conflict like the LTTE?

The head was a Christian priest, who later got assassinated by government forces:

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/M._X._Karunaratnam

And another member was a civilian woman N. Malathy who later wrote a book on her experiences with the organisation, she said this:

"Some leading members of citizens’ committees in Jaffna, Kilinochchi, Trincomalee, and Batticaloa, led by Fr. Karunaradnam, got together and put pressure on the LTTE to create a civilian human rights body. NESoHR was the outcome of these two independent processes, and as such NESoHR retained a level of independence from the LTTE."

As they lived in LTTE ruled areas, they were likely affiliated with the LTTE on a civilian level, but were not active members.

There was a similar wiki dispute regarding the use of Tamilnet as a source, and it was decided by Wiki admins that it was a reliable source, but that any affiliations should be declared when the source is used (e.g. the pro-rebel Tamilnet states...).

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Biased_or_opinionated_sources

The NESOHR source was published by an independent publishing house, and it still fits the criteria of reliable source.

Anyway, regardless of NESOHR, I don't think a banner over the whole article is justified saying it is disputed, when multiple other reliable sources are there. If there is a problem with nesohr, the problem should be raised with the NESOHR passages, not the whole article, because it misleads people to think the incident in general never happened. When it clearly did. Oz346 (talk) 08:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]