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Details of incident

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Are training flights normally equipped with live nuclear weapons? Watchpup (talk) 06:15, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If that is in fact what you are training for I would suspect so. Though considering that it jusr rolled off the ship (does not make sense to be but to continue) they should have the coords and be able to recover it as ROVs can probe 16,000 feet of water. The ROV along with side scan sonar it should be a piece of cake.(CaptianNemo (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC))[reply]

is such carelessness routine? Russians never lost a nuclear device, only reactor incidents. 75.163.214.46 (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How to describe the site

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  • First of all, Commander Johnson (talk · contribs) looks like a vandal. I reverted the user's edits.[1][2] Check the user's edits on other pages.
  • The following is an excerpt from an earlier revision:
    The accident occurred {{convert|80|mi}} from [[Okinawa]].<ref>Gibson, James N. ''Nuclear Weapons of the United States – An Illustrated History''. Atglen, Pennsylvania: Schiffer Publishing Ltd., 1996, Library of Congress card no. 96-67282, ISBN 0-7643-0063-6, p. 130.</ref><ref name="Winchester">Winchester, Jim, ''Douglas A-4 Skyhawk: Heineman's Hot Rod''. Barnsley, Yorkshire, United Kingdom: Pen & Sword Books, 2005, ISBN 1-84415-085-2, p. 199.</ref>
  • I have no copy of Gibson (1996) and Google Books gives no clue how he described the site.[3] The same is true of Winchester (2005).[4] Google Books suggests he did not describe the site as {{convert|80|mi}} from [[Okinawa]]. So I deleted the references.
  • Another source used in the infobox is:
    <ref name=Log>{{Cite report |date=December 5, 1965 |title=USS ''Ticonderoga'' (CVA-14) Deck Log |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lFHjcMf3s4&feature=related |format=transcription in YouTube caption |location="[[National Archives and Records Administration|National Archives]]"<!--per cv-deploy webpage-->(previously at [[Washington Navy Yard]]: [http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/nhcorg15.htm Deck Log section)] |accessdate=2012-04-18}} '''NOTE''': The [http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_serials/thirdseries19.html Joe Baugher aircraft listing] for this A-4 mistakenly identifies different waters ([[South China Sea]] near Vietnam) from those specified by the Deck Log's coordinates (E of Ryukyu Islands).</ref>
  • What is actually written in the YouTube page is:
    the accident occurred about 80 miles east of the Japanese Ryuku Island chain and 250 miles south of Kyushu Island, Japan, and about 200 miles east of Okinawa.
  • The land referred to as "the Japanese Ryuku Island chain" is Kikai Island, Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan. This island is much closer to the site than Okinawa, which was still under U.S. military occupation.
  • The fact that the incident occurred off the Japanese coast is politically important and should be reflected in the article.
  • This is supported by other sources:
    Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (1989): "only 70 miles from a Japanese island"[5]
    Crump (1993): "off the Japanese coast"[6]
  • The articles on B43 nuclear bomb and USS Ticonderoga (CV-14) have the same problem, but I would like to use this talk page for the centralized discussion.

--Nanshu (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kikaijima is in the East China Sea so it would be beneficial to pinpoint the location further for consistency with the article title. The distance of the incident from Okinawa is how the story has been previously reported.[7] "Since the ship was traveling to Japan from duty in the Vietnam war zone, no public mention was made of the incident at the time and it would not come to light until 1981 when a Pentagon report revealed that a one-megaton bomb had been lost. Japan then formally asked for details of the incident.[48][49]"
  • Broder,John M. (May 9, 1989). "H-Bomb Lost at Sea in '65 Off Okinawa, U.S. Admits". The Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 13 April 2013.
"U.S. officials acknowledged Monday that a Navy warplane carrying a hydrogen bomb rolled off the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1965 and sank in the ocean 70 miles from Okinawa. The plane, the pilot and the weapon--lost in 16,200 feet of water off the Japanese island--have never been recovered. "
  • Washington, D.C.: Washington Post, Reuter, "U.S. Confirms '65 Loss of H-Bomb Near Japanese Islands", Tuesday, 9 May 1989, page A-27.
  • Washington, D.C.: Washington Post, "Japan Asks Details On Lost H-Bomb", Wednesday, 10 May 1989, page A-35.
see also U.S. nuclear weapons in Japan's southern islands / US nuclear weapons in Japan Johnvr4 (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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