Talk:1964 Summer Olympics Parade of Nations

Requested move 13 September 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be renamed and moved.

result:
No consensus. See no clear agreement below for title changes at this time. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, editors can strengthen their arguments and try again in a few months to garner consensus for name changes. Kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 06:43, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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– The following documents above have the names 'national flag bearers' at the end, while the newer documents from 2008 having 'Parade of Nations'. This means the two names are mixing in Wikipedia, and this will confuse the readers of Wikipedia. The newer documents use the names 'Parade of Nations', so I request the following documents to match the titles to the documents from the 2008 Summer Olympics. Sjkim04 (talk) 02:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 13:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relist note: all proposed titles were significantly altered at 09:45 on 22 September 2021 (UTC), so this move request should extend at least seven more days from that timestamp. P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 13:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see it in the style like: 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony – Parade of Nations. Like the the same priciple as all the Olympic sport events pages. I will explain with a example:

The "Parade of Nations" is part of the "2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony".
The "Women's Madison" is part of "Cycling at the 2020 Summer Olympics" and so the title is Cycling at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's Madison; and the title of this sport event is not "2020 Summer Olympics Women's Madison"

That the Parade of Nations is part of the Opening ceremony is also in, for instance, the title of the French wikipedia fr:Liste des porte-drapeaux à la cérémonie d'ouverture des Jeux olympiques d'été de 2020. And in the template: Template:2020 Summer Olympics it's behind the Opening Ceremony between brackets because it is part of it.

And a question: are capital letters in "Parade of Nations" necessary? SportsOlympic (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For the “opening ceremony - Parade of Nations” style, I agree with it.

For your question, if you do a quick search for the event, all pages are stylized as “Parade of Nations”, so I think it should be necessary. Sjkim04 (talk) 03:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if we're going to stylize the titles with 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony – Parade of Nations, we will have to request all the current Olympics' Parade of Nations pages with this one. I think we can perform these after this request is closed unless we can change the request now. Sjkim04 (talk) 03:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Olympics has been notified of this discussion. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support the alternate proposal from SportsOlympic to use 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony – Parade of Nations style names. I'm not a fan of how many subpages (in the conceptual sense, not the mediawiki sense) Olympics articles have in general, but that's a different discussion. Here we should stick to common style. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the style to the proposed ones. I will request for approval. —Sjkim04 (^T ・ _C) 09:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:CRITERIA. The proposed solution is not a natural or common way to refer to this topic ("parade of nations" is unlikely to be the common way people refer to this: news coverage and others overwhelmingly refer to the flag bearers; nor is the presence of a dash helpful: it is unlikely to be what is searched for by the readers); nor is it an accurate way to the refer to the article's content (which is really a "List of flag bearers at [X] Olympics opening ceremony"); nor is the argument for consistency particularly convincing: the titles within the "opening/closing ceremony flag bearers" topic area are already consistent within themselves, so this does not actually fix any inconsistency, and as for the related usage in sports sub-disciplines, if anything, all of the titles that contain dashes like Cycling at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's Madison should really be moved to titles which satisfy WP:NATURAL (so "Women's Madison at the 2020 Summer Olympics"). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Addendum per the above, I would support an alternate proposal which would be to move all of these to a format that looks like List of 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony flag bearers; per WP:NATURAL and WP:PRECISE as above. This should also be extended to the closing ceremonies. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:04, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think normally, if you came into Wikipedia the first time, you would search “Parade of Nations”, for the event. I think the word “list of flag bearers” or “national flag bearers” would be hard to know that the document is about the flag bearers of the Parade of Nations. —Sjkim04 (^T ・ _C) 01:11, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Sjkim04: My proposal isn't just "list of flag bearers"; it's "List of [Year Season Olympics] [opening/closing] ceremony flag bearers". Essentially its almost exactly the same as the French model linked earlier (fr:Liste des porte-drapeaux à la cérémonie d'ouverture des Jeux olympiques d'été de 2020; (maybe that word order would be more natural in English too - i.e. List of flag bearers at the 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony). In the context of Olympic opening and closing ceremonies; the term "flag bearer" is unambiguous and also matches with usage in sources, ex. Olympics website from 2006 or from 2021, both of which have no mention of "Parade of Nations"; or coverage from individual nations or sports from respective news sources: Canada ("flag-bearers", but no "Parade of Nations"); athletics (no "Parade of Nations"); Tonga's shirtless flag bearer (in 2016; no mention of "Parade of Nations"); or in 2021 (which at least mentions it, but certainly not in the title, suggesting precedence of usage towards non-official designation: thus it would be in line with WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAMES to use "List of flag bearers at X ceremony" and not "X ceremony - Parade of Nations" (in addition to more accurately identifying the subject). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]