Talk:1964 Gabonese coup d'état

Some comments

• I think you need to emphasize Foccart's role in the countercoup. Whatever Foccart said, de Gaulle did.
  • I have expanded it a bit. Unfortunately, Foccart was a very secretive person, and much of the planning of the countercoup was behind closed doors. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 20:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
    • One of the books I used for M'ba (the rentier state of so-so) details Foccart's involvement I think. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 20:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
      • I forgot about that one. I have added some more. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 21:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
• "Under this system, the president could appoint ministers whose functions and limitations they freely determine" - they who? pronoun ambiguity. The sentence is also awkwardly worded.
  • Reworded. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 20:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
• The last paragraph of "Origins" is confusing. How does Aubame's resignation resolve matters? Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 19:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I forgot to mention M'ba supporters trying to get rid of him in the assembly. That has now changed. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 20:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Something I immediately noticed

I'm sure I'm not the first to notice it, but one of the main things that we have to do is find more good sources. Note that the first two paragraphs are entirely unreferenced. Enigma ^message 19:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

That's because the lede need not be referenced if the same details are sourced later on in the article. Every bit of information in the lead is sourced in the other sections of the article. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 20:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I see this is well on its way to FA without my assistance, but I'll look over the rest of it anyway. Enigma ^message 20:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Should reference #21 be a reference? Seem to me that there are better ways to do that. Enigma ^message 20:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is: {{ref label}} and {{note label}}. However, I've always been perfectly content with mixing references and notes together. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 20:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I could be missing something, but where is it explained what UDSG and BDG are? Obviously they're political parties, but there should either be a wikilink or an explanation. Enigma ^message 21:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

• Clarified. Good? Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 00:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Looks fine to me. It now gives the names for those unfamiliar with the acronyms. Enigma ^message 04:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, is the article intended to be in British or American English? I've seen examples of both thus far. Enigma ^message 21:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Should be in American English. Could you give me an example of text in British English? Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 00:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I forgot. I saw it twice. I'll have to go over the article again. Enigma ^message 03:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, it was being spelled "kilometres". I went ahead and fixed it. I should say, I fixed one. The other is using the conversion template to convert from kilometers to miles, and that uses British English apparently. See the end of this. Enigma ^message 04:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

To Sandy: Yes, I know it needs a conversion, and I was about to change that one as well, but then I noticed that it spells kilometers wrong. On principle, I do not make changes that result in spelling errors. Enigma ^message 04:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I first saw it like this, which had two examples of misspellings without the conversion template. Sandy then replaced one with a conversion template, leaving the other. I corrected the other to say kilometers, and then Sandy changed that one to the template as well. Enigma ^message 04:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

While several users are viewing this thread, I might as well call attention to some minor copy-editing I performed; however, I haven't been on my game as of late, so please check my edits. — Deckiller 04:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with all your changes, but overall they look fine. Someone should take a look at the hidden comments left. Better to address them as soon as possible. Enigma ^message 04:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

"politions"

Is this an alternative spelling of "politicians" or something? It's in a quote in the Aftermath. Enigma ^message 00:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Typo on my part, fixed. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 00:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I better go look for more typos then. :) I'll be back later tonight if I find anything else. Enigma ^message 03:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

One more thing: Can you recheck the rest of that quote? Do you have it handy? I'm making a few small changes to the rest of that section. Enigma ^message 04:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I do not have it handy, though I'm sure I typed it right. Thanks for your copyediting, by the way. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 10:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Biteghe

• "M'ba commented during a 1961 visit to France that "[a]ll Gabonese have two fatherlands: France and Gabon", and Europeans enjoyed particularly friendly treatment under his regime."[4]
  • Ref 4 Biteghe, pp. 23–24: "Il est un fait que l'amitié franco-gabonaise est une vieille histoire; les leaders des deux pays aiment du reste à l'occasion, se la remémorer. Ce qui explique, peut-être que, nationaliste, Léon Mba n'en est pas moins resté extrêmement attentif aux directives de Paris. Si ses méthodes, autoritaires, lui valent bien des critiques dansles milieux politiques, elles donnent confiance aux investisseurs étrangers qui considèrent volontiers le Gabon comme une terre sûre d'autant que les Européens y jouissent d'un traitement amical. On connaît la fameuse phrase de Léon Mba: 'Tout Gabonaise a deux patries: la France et le Gabon.'"
• "M'ba aspired to establish Gabon as a democracy, which he believed was necessary to attract foreign investors. At the same time, he attempted to reconcile the imperatives of democracy with the necessity for a strong and coherent government.[5]"
  • Ref 5 Biteghe, p. 35: "Léon Mba propose donc de rechercher un régime qui concilie les impératifs de la démocratie - à laquelle, du moins en apparence, tous semblent aspirer - et la nécessité d'une activité gouvernementale ferme et cohérente qui favorisera les investissements et le développement."
• "In practice, however, M'ba showed a weakness in attaining his goal—by this time he was known as "the old man",[6] or "the boss"—to have a high degree of authority.[7]"
  • Ref 7 Biteghe, p. 29: "On l'appelle "le vieux", "le patron", des disques chantent ses louanges, des timbres et des pagnes sont imprimés à son effigie."
• "On 21 February 1961, a new constitution was adopted,[8] providing for a "hyperpresidential" (French: hyperprésidentiel) regime.[9]"
  • Ref 8 Biteghe, p. 44: "Le 21 février, par acclamation, les 67 députés adoptent à l'unanimité le projet constitutionnel que le gouvernement vient de préparer."
  • Ref 9 Biteghe, p. 46: "L'application de celle-ci, précise le texte, doit résulter non pas d'un jugement mais d'un décret pris en conseil des ministres. P. Decraene qualifie "d'hyperprésidentiel" le régime ainsi instauré."
• "However, the National Assembly successfully convinced M'ba and Aubame to set aside their quarrels from 1961 to 1963. Despite this, political unrest grew within the population,[14] and many students held demonstrations.[15]"
  • Ref 14 Biteghe, p. 52: "La constitution de 1961 et l'Union nationale suspendent pour deux ans le duel fraticide qui oppose Mba et Aubame. En effet, le gouvernement d'Union nationale issu de cette constitution fait taire provisoirement les rivalités entre le BDG et l'UDSG." Will find rest of this info...
  • Ref 15 Biteghe, p. 49: "Les fréquentes dissolutions de l'Assembleé nationale, l'emprisonnement des étudiants et l'attitude du président Léon Mba vis à vis de son adversaire politique J. H. Aubame: tels sont les faits importants qui précèdent la crise de février 1964. Marquée par la fin d'une cohabitation houleuse entre une majorité vigoureuse et une oppsoition hésitante, l'année 1964 est placée sous le signe du flou politique. Un flou générateur de malaises comme le reflète dans un premier temps la contestation des étudiants gabonais en France-contestation née en 1961 avec le gouvernement d'Union nationale."
• "To oust Aubame from his legislative seat, M'ba appointed him President of the Supreme Court on 25 February.[17]"
  • Ref 17 Biteghe, p. 54: "Le 25 février , J. H. Aubame est nommé par décret président de la Cour suprême...La nomination d'Aubame au poste qualificatif pour le moins inadapté de président de la Cour suprême, et ce après la désintégration du gouvernement d'Union nationale, ne peut dissimuler les luttes partisanes et personnelles qui sourdent de nouveau dans le pays après deux ans de trêve politique."

More to come... Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 00:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• • • Thanks, Nish. Your friend Eddy of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 00:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

c'mon

About this edit. C'mon, EotW. I specifically asked you about the phrase "on a moment's notice." You added a "sic." Don't tell me now that you didn't actually check the source when you added that "sic"?! I know that this article is getting special attention on the sources, above all from Ling, but c'mon... if I (or anyone else) raise a query and ask you to double-check, I expect you to have double-checked if you say that you have. OK? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I am very lazy, and very sorry. I really should have double checked, but I rely on Google Books (another very lazy habit of mine) and the page was removeed from the preview. Let's just skip the quote marks, as you have done. Again, very sorry about this. Your friend Eddy of the wiki^{[citation needed]} 01:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Advice to bringing this to FAC

I'm taking a break from the subject for a while, but when I come back, could someone give me advice to bring this to FA standard? ~one of many editorofthewikis ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd say the top priority for the article right now is to find a French-speaking editor who can verify the content. Other than that, a copyedit would be nice. User:Malleus Fatuarum, User:Finetooth, and User:Titoxd are usually good with copyedits, if you need help. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 23:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

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GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass:

Good work! Continue improving article. Disclaimer: I have never been to Gabon though I have been to Africa.

Spevw (talk) 01:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 02:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Treaty

Could we have a reference to the actual treaty between France and Gabon that is mentioned within the article? Its text will be in print somewhere even it isn't available online. At the moment there is just vague mention of it sourced from a general history book. What were its relevant provisions, exactly? What was its political context? Thanks. Beorhtwulf (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

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