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Nominator: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 05:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · contribs) 00:08, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
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    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
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Earwig says 9.1% without search engine so good to go. Verification and sources pending.

  • I assume the claim about No. 10 indicating potential hurricane conditions and the 119 kph wind comes from page 57 of the HKO ref from an image. Can you introduce this ref [1] for easier verification? Note the ref says "118 km/h or more".
  • "Late on 31 August the HKO, then known as Royal Observatory Hong Kong, [...]" the last bit about Royal Observatory Hong Kong is unnecessary here. Move this into background.
  • Can you add the times when USS Ramapo recorded 1003 mbar (4pm) and 33 kts (4.45pm)? State in UTC and then local time in footnote or parenthesis. In addition, add a thousand separator.
  • "Around August 30, the storm turned more to the northwest, causing it to remain north and east of majority of the Philippines." ok, verifiable with the plot track.
  • Could you show me where "force 12 on the Beaufort scale" is found in the MWR pdf? I can only find force 11 mentioned.
  • "passing just north of Pratas Island, where a pressure of 993 mbar (29.327 inHg) was recorded" ok, verifiable with both ref


  • There's four in-line citations that come after "its squalls of winds surpassed the capacity of the anemometer, which was greater than 201 km/h (125 mph)." I understand is the HKO ref comparing 1937 with Wanda which states the wind speed maxed out at 130 kts while MWR claims the anemometer's capicity was 125 mph. Can you clarify the differences?
Alright thanks for explaining. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you assign the first four lines of Meteorological history's second paragraph their respective citations? Right now it's all packed at the end of one sentence.
  • "The observations suggested that the typhoon struck with winds equivalent to a Category 3 on the Saffir-Simpson scale, or sustained winds of at least 180 km/h (112 mph)." : The ref Huang & Yim (2007) states the typhoon exceeded Category 3 and doesn't mention the sustained winds. Should be edited to "winds exceeding Category 3 on the Saffir-Simpson scale" amd include an in-line ref for "sustained winds of at least 180 km/h (112 mph)".
  • Close but not quote. The source says "maximum sustained wind speed (>50-58 m/sec)", which is 112 to 130 mph, which is Category 3, not Category 4 or 5. I didn't want to say "exceed" because that's the wording in the original (don't want to plagiarize), and given their wind criteria, I felt my wording best reflected the source. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could be re-worded to "greater than a Category 3" if that's makes sense in the context of storms. But your reasoning seems fine. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The typhoon continued inland and weakened, dissipating northwest of Macau on September 3." Everything else is verified by the two inline ref except the Macau location.

"*Changed to "dissipating over southern China on September 3". ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Late on 31 August the HKO, then known as Royal Observatory Hong Kong, issued warning signal no. 1, or standby. On the next day, the warning signal was raised to no. 5, which meant that gale force winds were expected for the territory." I assume this is referencing UTC date and time, can you add the local date and time per C. W. Jeffries in footnote?
  • "Wind gusts reached at least 241 km/h (150 mph) in Hong Kong, when the piston of the anemometer stopped and failed" there is inconsistencies with a previous line: "winds surpassed the capacity of the anemometer, which was greater than 201 km/h (125 mph)". Perhaps I'm missing something, although I also asked you to clarify this several points up the list.
  • "The mean hourly wind average in the territory reached 109 km/h (68 mph)." Failed verification, wrong inline that probably comes from [2].
  • "Fishermen accounted for majority of the deceased, after the typhoon capsised 1,855 fishing boats. These included sampans, or houseboats, as well as 28 ships bound for the ocean." verifed, although could you add that some fishermen could not seek shelter in time to escape the storm?
  • Could the train of inline citations after the third paragraph of Preparations and impacts be distributed to their respective lines? Content is verified.
  • "In mainland Hong Kong, the typhoon swept away an entire village in Tai Po Market, resulting in an estimated 300 fatalities." ok
  • Could you provide access to the Twin Falls News? It is paywalled. Best if you can email the entire text.
  • "During the height of the storm, nine buildings caught fire and were destroyed, resulting in dozens of deaths, after the fire brigade faced difficulty reaching the area." fine
  • Please assign the respective inline citations for para 4 in Preparations and impacts. It's also packed at the end of a line.
  • "The storm occurred concurrently with a cholera outbreak in Hong Kong amid the stagnant floodwaters." I interpret Times as saying the cholera outreak occurred after the typhoon. This citation is probably incorrect as I traced this to SCMP: "The pools of stagnant water, flooded and contaminated wells and the damaged mains (where they existed) soon combined to exacerbate the cholera epidemic with outbreaks of typhoid". In that case, the Times ref after line 3 of Aftermath is redundant.
  • "The 1937 typhoon accounted for 38% of the costs over the ten-year period, with the repairs reaching about HK$586,000." : Let's stay faithful to the source which states "HK$585,734" and "39%".

Prose and formatting

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  • "Time described the harbor as seventh busiest in the world... always alive with yachts, junks, ferries, sampans, freighters, liners, men-of-war." → can quote marks be added for the imported material?
  • "During its closest approach, the typhoon produced the strongest ever wind gust in the territory, reaching 241 km/h (150 mph) before the anemometer stopped, until it was surpassed by Typhoon Wanda in 1962." There's a lot going on in this sentence; perhaps break it into two? Example: "During its closest approach, the typhoon produced the strongest ever wind gust in the territory, reaching 241 km/h (150 mph) before the anemometer stopped. This record was surpassed by Typhoon Wanda in 1962."
  • "with a death toll estimated between 11,000–13,000" → "with a death toll estimated at between 11,000 and 13,000"
  • "As the typhoon moved across the northern portion of the South China Sea, it intensified rapidly as it moved toward the southern Chinese mainland." → "As the typhoon moved across the northern portion of the South China Sea toward the southern Chinese mainland, it rapidly intensified."
  • "[...] was established in 1883, and a year later, the agency warned the public of an approaching typhoon using a gun." → "[...] was established in 1883, and a year later, the agency began issuing public warnings of approaching typhoons using a gun."
  • "[...], meant the potential for typhoon conditions, or maximum sustained winds of at least 119 km/h." → replace "meant" with "signified" or "indicated"
  • "no." should be capitalised to "No." across the article body
  • "The observations suggested that the typhoon [...]" → "These observations [...]"
  • "On the next day, the warning signal [...]" → drop "On" and "The following day, [...]"
  • "[...] leave harbor and seek shelter" → "leave the harbor and seek shelter"
  • "As it moved ashore southern China, [...]" → "As it moved ashore in southern China, [...]"
  • "The HKO upgraded the warning further to no. 10, meaning that typhoon-force winds were expected, at 17:58 UTC on September 1 (1:58 a.m. September 2 local time)." Could you use footnote to indicate local time?
  • "[...], with a death toll between 11,000–13,000." "and" should replace the endash.
  • "British officials estimated the total damage around HK$1 million" → "[...] damage at around HK$1 million"


  • "Police and other officials used rope to attempt rescuing people caught by the floods" → "Police and other officials used rope to attempt to rescue people caught in the floods"
  • "tugs were required to assist beached or stranded vessels, [...]" → "tugs had to assist beached or stranded vessels, [...]"
  • "with people in Hong Kong stranded for several days." → "leaving" to replace "with"
  • "[...] accounted for 38% of the costs over the ten-year period," → "[...] accounted for 38% of these costs," : "the" to "these", and omit "over the ten-year period" because it relates to the preceding line

Images and captions

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Images are suitable.

  • Do you have a location reference for the surface weather analysis image to add in the caption?

What an awful storm! Article is well-written with some additional copyediting required. Referencing is good for the most part, though there are problems that require attention. The verdict is on hold, let me know when you have addressed these points. Cheers!Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 04:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've broken up the train of ref in at least two para so verifying is easier Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 03:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yea, thanks! Is there anything else the article needs? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right now I'm going through a final sweep. The article is in a better condition so I will likely pass the review. Hopefully in a few hours. Thanks! Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 07:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really appreciate the thorough review! This was a difficult one to write about since it was so deadly, and also it was in a time period where we don’t have the best records. Appreciate your help and feedback. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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