Talk:1585 Broadway

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Review: June 25, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from 1585 Broadway appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Morgan Stanley acquired 750 Seventh Avenue and 1585 Broadway after both buildings went bankrupt and their respective tenants refused to pay rent?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1585 Broadway.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 18:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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1585 Broadway

... that Morgan Stanley refused to lease space at 1585 Broadway when it was under construction, only to buy the building out of bankruptcy years later? Source: Merkel, Jayne (July–August 2000). "Times Square on the Record" (PDF). Oculus. Vol. 62, no. 10. American Institute of Architects New York. p. 7; Pacelle, Mitchell (August 12, 1993). "Morgan Stanley agrees to purchase Manhattan skyscraper for $176 million". Wall Street Journal. p. A2.
- ALT1: ... that Morgan Stanley originally refused to lease space at the Morgan Stanley Building because the building would have huge signs? Source: Merkel, Jayne (July–August 2000). "Times Square on the Record" (PDF). Oculus. Vol. 62, no. 10. American Institute of Architects New York. p. 7; Pacelle, Mitchell (August 12, 1993). "Morgan Stanley agrees to purchase Manhattan skyscraper for $176 million". Wall Street Journal. p. A2.
- ALT2: ... that Morgan Stanley bought 1585 Broadway out of bankruptcy in 1993 after first turning down an offer to lease the building several years prior? Source: Merkel, Jayne (July–August 2000). "Times Square on the Record" (PDF). Oculus. Vol. 62, no. 10. American Institute of Architects New York. p. 7; Pacelle, Mitchell (August 12, 1993). "Morgan Stanley agrees to purchase Manhattan skyscraper for $176 million". Wall Street Journal. p. A2.
- ALT3: ... that when 1585 Broadway filed for bankruptcy two years after its opening, its only tenant had never paid rent? Source: Dunlap, David W. (January 19, 1992). "Commercial Property: 1585 Broadway; Tracing the Path From Leasing Coup to Bankruptcy". The New York Times.
- ALTM1: ... that Morgan Stanley acquired 750 Seventh Avenue and 1585 Broadway after both buildings went bankrupt and their respective tenants refused to pay rent? Sources for 750: Kleege, Stephen (July 21, 1992). "Tenant Found for Building Citicorp Is Seizing". The American Banker. p. 6; Grant, Peter (May 9, 1994). "IBM gets record price for NY headquarters". Crain's New York Business. Vol. 10, no. 19. p. 1. Sources for 1585: Dunlap, David W. (January 19, 1992). "Commercial Property: 1585 Broadway; Tracing the Path From Leasing Coup to Bankruptcy". The New York Times; Pinder, Jeanne B. (August 12, 1993). "Midtown Building Is Sold for Lofty $176 Million". The New York Times.
- ALTM2: ... that Morgan Stanley acquired 750 Seventh Avenue and 1585 Broadway out of bankruptcy after only one tenant could be found at each building? Sources: See ALTM1
- ALTM3: ... that Morgan Stanley acquired 750 Seventh Avenue and 1585 Broadway, which went bankrupt after their developer could only find one tenant for each building? Sources: See ALTM1
- ALTM4: ... that 750 Seventh Avenue and 1585 Broadway were initially so empty that they did not include signs facing Times Square, which were required under New York City law? Sources: Dunlap, David W. (June 2, 1991). "Commercial Property: Times Square Signs; Things That Go Blink in the Night". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jovani Furlan
- Comment: ALTM1, ALTM2, ALTM3, and ALTM4 are combo hooks with Template:Did you know nominations/750 Seventh Avenue. If any of these hooks are approved, then the corresponding hooks should also be approved in the other nomination.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

A copy-paste of my review from 750 Seventh Avenue: "again with the "add info" for 66k bytes of content, done within the nom timeframe; the length is 4300 words; the article is neutral, has more references than there are lizards in Florida, and I guess Earwig gets ticked off at direct quotes, but other than that it's copyvio free." In my opinion, these two articles tie together nicely as they were both purchased by the same company for similar reasons, so I support ALTM1. In the case where both are to be used separately, I support alt0, alt2, and alt3. Panini! • 🥪 13:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Epicgenius: looks like 1585 broadway has quite a few cn tags and a maintenance tag attached? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Theleekycauldron, that's weird. I looked the 1585 Broadway page over, and the page does not seem to have any tags at all, nor is it in a hidden maintenance category. The Morgan Stanley page, however (which isn't bolded nor part of this nomination), does have these tags. Epicgenius (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Epicgenius: oh, you're right, sorry- that's my bad! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 15:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't garnered any review interest yet. Hog Farm _Talk 15:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The building also contains emergency power generators.[33]"- not impressed by sourcing for this. The source turns out to essentially be a "look what we did!" page. I'd recommend excluding this information unless an uninvolved source demonstrates the significance of this by mentioning it
- Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"In total, the structure would have 1.2×106 sq ft (110,000 m2)" - when was this expanded?'
- I don't really know when the air-rights transfer occurred, but it was in the late 1980s. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The building also received a municipal tax abatement that lowered its tax bill by several million dollars" - any specific rationale for the abatement? (I deal with abatements sometimes at work)
- Basically, it was part of the Industrial and Commercial Incentive Program. Developers of industrial and commercial buildings in NYC (except those on the East Side of Manhattan and in Lower Manhattan) were eligible for the abatement, provided that their project fulfilled a set of criteria. It was meant to encourage development of industrial and commercial structures in these parts of the city. Developers on the West Side of Manhattan south of 96th Street didn't have to pay back the waived for 11 years, and other developers didn't have to pay back anything at all. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The law firm spent $4.5 million in 1996 to upgrade it equipment in 1585 Broadway" - is this a typo for "its" or should this be capitalized for the acronym IT?
- Actually both. The firm made technological upgrades to its equipment. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Brennan Beer Gorman Monk designed an information booth " - is this a firm or an individual?
- It was a firm. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is Morgan Stanley still trying to get out of the building?
- I heard that Morgan Stanley is staying in the building for the time being, but unfortunately there is no reliable source for this. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is Skyscraper page RS? It looks like its diagrams are commonly used, but it appears to be being cited for non-diagram information?
- I have removed that source. The reference was in the article before I expanded it, but The Skyscraper Center and Emporis are more reliable. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did a few spot-checks, no source-text integrity issues
Image licensing looks okay

Placing on hold, that's all from me I think. Hog Farm _Talk 18:21, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: Thanks for reviewing the article - I really appreciate it. I have now addressed all of the issues you've brought up. Epicgenius (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]