Talk:143 (Katy Perry album)

Was "Lifetimes" a promotional single?

I wanna believe it was a single since her team sent it for consideration at the Grammy Awards but it is the only song that wasn't sent to radio and also didn't receive any significant attention. This0k (talk) 05:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Not sure where you heard it was submitted for Grammy consideration, but download and streaming are valid forms of single release, which this got independent of album distribution. It therefore IS a single. Radio isn't the sole indicator as you seem to believe. Let's not overlook physical media as another option (even when not used for that particular track). As for the claim of not getting "any signifiant attention", that's false given the controversy over its music video that prompted an investigation over its filming. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The song's rollout seemed like a promotional single which probably explains why it has been interpreted that way by many but according to you radio impact doesn't mean a lot and that does make sense since it was released along with a music video and was on digital and streaming platforms which rarely happens with promotional singles. Promotional singles are also usually released with an album, no reliable sources cite it as a promotional single and do speak more so on the controversy than the song so you are correct it did gain significant attention. This0k (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Promotional singles are almost always accompanied by a statement or reliable coverage calling them so. Just because it underperformed does not mean its a promo single. When Lifetimes was performed live, had a music video and was released independently of the album, the same as the other two singles, its more likely than not that it is indeed a single. There was nothing distinctly different about its release. The US is the only major market which has a culture of "radio releases". In most other major markets, radio stations pick up songs organically. People need to realise there are music markets outside of the US. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 22:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

wikipedia isn't a reliable website at all. lifetimes is a promotional single. 2A00:23C6:3713:7E01:5566:97E:6DA9:AFE0 (talk) 10:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I declare this album is sixth album.

1. "Katy Perry" "143 "sixth" google search - 110,000 results "Katy Perry" "143" "seventh" google search - 32,300 results.

2. In her OFFICIAL store, it is said "sixth" studio album. so, it's sixth and not seventh. Arismauve (talk) 04:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

That must've been an oversight on the store's part, and mere google counts don't necessarily mean one is right, especially when you appear to have cumulatively lumped all totals together without factoring in credibility of sources. It either way is misleading to call this "sixth" when that was actually Smile. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

help. you just want to declare Katy Hudson is her first studio album, but sorry, all wikis and even Katy fans regard this album as sixth. the official is always right, and it's top, so you can't declare that official website is false or oversight. Stop ignoring and disregarding what artists said. Arismauve (talk) 04:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

so, give ONLY official websites or stores that Katy Hudson is first alnum. because i already provided you the official site that presents 143 is her sixth, so you have to provide OFFICIAL site / store which indicates Katy Hudson album as her FIRST album. again, do NOT ignore what official websites said. Arismauve (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually, there are fans that count Katy Hudson as her first, and there are pieces such as this leaving no reasonable doubt it is correct while 143 is seventh. I don't know why an artist would downplay their past work, but in case that link somehow wasn't enough to convince you, there is an interview from a few months ago where Katy openly counts her self-titled album as first. I'm not ignoring or disregarding what she said there. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

"I don't know why an artist would downplay their past work •••"

> because they can regard it as failure. Katy Hudson, her debut album, actually suffered big FAILURE in her entire albums. Same case w Sia. Sia said that her 1st album OnlySee, she doesn't like it.

Also BBC is not Katy's official website so it can't be an evidence in this situation... and you submitted that YT link for 2 times, but i can't find the essential part you proposed, could you please show me when she said that? like for example, "12:30". Arismauve (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

"Actually, there are fans that count Katy Hudsonas her first •••"

> yes it's you.

so all I need is these sources.

1. Katy Perry says her album "Katy Hudson" as like "my first album" etc. and One of the Boys are second, TD is second, PRISM third, Witness fourth, Smile fifth.

2. 143 is said as her seventh album, by her OFFICIAL websites

if you can't provide any of them, you can't declare 143 is sixth & oftb is second & td is third & prism is fourth & witness is fifth.

also, please know that only this wiki regards 143 as seventh. Fandom, or Namuwiki etc all wikis regard this album as sixth, and i dont wanna confuse people by writing FALSE album counts. Arismauve (talk) 05:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Personal taste is a petty and completely unfair reason to pretend albums don't count. Same goes for any poor performances. Fandom and Namuwiki are fan-made sites full of user-generated content and thus are unreliable per WP:USERG. As for a time stamp, see 30:19, and sorry for neglecting to mention that before. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is regarded as unreliable bu it's not a topic so anyway, it's not my personal taste. Official websites are the first source of informations. why would they tell false informations, even though they have to sell their products?

we have to respect what official said. as official said 143 as sixth, so i can't accept that this album is seventh. Arismauve (talk) 05:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Denying and declaring that what official websites said is a wrong and false because it doesn't fit with what you're saying is a more petty and poor thing.

I think Katy Hudson is first album by Katy Hudson and one of the boys is first album by Katy Perry. the name is even different.. Arismauve (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

On the contrary, I'm not being petty at all when factoring in releases that have been overlooked. For your information, the use of a legal surname vs. an alias isn't a valid reason to downplay the self-titled album and its chronology either when Katy Hudson and Katy Perry are the same person. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

then i suggest to put this sentence on ref: "some sources, it is regarded as sixth album, but for wikipedia rules it's seventh" Camilasdandelions (talk) 07:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

ps) i changed my username. Camilasdandelions (talk) 07:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

her official store, she said "sixth". Official store is more reliable, and you said "disregarding an album is not good, and she said in interview that she counts it as her album", but then please, could you explain about this official website? Camilasdandelions (talk) 05:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, that discrepancy had to have been an oversight, though I still don't understand why it hasn't yet been changed to align with her spoken word. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay. But how can you decide that official is oversight? while that interview can be iversight.

Or if you know how to contach with Katy Perry team, please tell me how. Let me try contact them and fix them, so we can conclude the album discrepancy in Katy Perry Camilasdandelions (talk) 05:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Since she unambiguously talks about counting self-titled album as one when Zane Lowe asked her about totals as he wasn't fully sure on the matter (presumably due to reading conflicting reports beforehand), the answer seemed pretty straightforward to me. I sadly don't know how to contact Katy's team or I already would've done so. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:52, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I need not only an interview but like other reliable websites that declare Katy Hudson as first album, and One Of The Boys as second, Teenage Dream as her third ••• etc. Because other people don't think interview is enough to define album counting so.

And I'm sorry for being aggressive before. Camilasdandelions (talk) 06:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Your apology is appreciated. In addition to a BBC article I previously gave that leaves no ambiguity on chronology, you can find many pieces focusing on one or perhaps two albums that indicate OOTB is 2nd, Teenage Dream is 3rd, multiple references already implemented here counting 143 as 7th (and yes they are of good quality), etc. If you're talking about sources that list each album, then those admittedly aren't as common, at least partially because many were published before this one's name even got announced. I occasionally have come across books written in between the releases of Teenage Dream and Prism that make it clear she had put out three before the lattermost came out. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 06:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank You!

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Yes.. I know but in my wiki people declare that official site says sixth so 143 is sixth.. That's why I need the official Katy's announcement like OOTB second, TD third, PRISM fourth, Witness fifth Smile sixth. They dont regard an interview abt Katy Hudson is enough.(...) Do you have any other "official" sources that says Ootb second etc? not BBC like reliable articles. (And same case with Lady Gaga, she announced it as LG7 so people say it's seventh.) Camilasdandelions (talk) 06:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Which other wiki are you talking about? Whatever that might be, I find it baffling how they wouldn't already be satisfied with reviews and other news pieces—including those generally deemed trustworthy for factual reporting—that individually talk about each album in separate articles. Those should be plenty combined with what I wrote above. You'd be hard-pressed to find any other Wikipedians who won't accept anything that's not from a subject's website. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

in fact i don't know why in korean wiki people are denying other sources and they always regard official site and official store, etc is the most reliable thing. yeah, i thought like that way too, but after i heard your sentences, my mind changed - official store can sometimes be wrong too. i even suggested that official site can be wrong in there, but they said "it's just your guess" like that.. (i can tell you if you want to know the wiki name and link, but i will provide it an 1:1 talk page!)

so anyway, i agree that 143 is seventh. also I tried to contact UMG, but they have no replies :/ Camilasdandelions (talk) 15:39, 14 December 2024 (UTC)