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Correct Caliber Designation

The unit or designation of measure is Caliber. Caliber is a unit "based" on inches and/or millimeter (mm). When using the designation of caliber it is not represented directly as a measurement of inches. Refer to the definition of caliber. Caliber is expressed in hundredths or thousands of an inch depending on the number of digits. When referring to cartridges, bullets or chambers the units or designation used is caliber. This would be expressed without any leading decimal. Example: 22 LR is the 22 caliber Long Rifle cartridge. It may be approximately 0.22 inches in diameter; however, the Caliber is 22.

Leaving the decimal out of imperial specifications is intentional. It is not common language to say "Point 22 LR" or "Dot 22 LR", the common phrase is "Twenty Two LR". It is also easy to miss read or not see markings with a leading dot, thus another reason the unit of caliber is used.

This page is for specifications in caliber, This is what is used in the industry. Expressing it incorrectly as for example .45 caliber would translate a measurement in inches of 0.45/100 equaling 0.0045 inches. Another example .223 Rem. If this is a caliber unit it would translate to 0.223 thousandths (0.223/1000), which would equate to 0.000223 inches. for empirical units caliber designation never has a decimal place. Metric calibers are also often but not exclusively written and used without a decimal (i.e. Caliber 762).

The title of these pages should be updated as well as the content to avoid confusion for people learning or understanding the correct terms.

Further information on the correct way to specify values and units. Values and the units used are separated by a space. Example 7 mm is correct, 7mm is not correct. Correct case of letters (upper, lower) is also important, mm = millimeters, MM who knows that that would be. Another example (5.56 x 45 mm). Both 5.46 and 45 are in mm (millimeters), note the spacing around the x and between the number (value) and the units (mm).

216.160.0.104 (talk) 21:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Scimernet

Looking in sources, I do see quite a few that say "hundreds or thousanths of an inch", but then their tables still include the decimal point. Peculiar. Dicklyon (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Shotgun

In the lede, it says: " It is used in a wide range of rifles, pistols, revolvers, shotguns, and submachine guns."

"Shotguns" surprised me, so I checked the body for a source. There's a section on Shot cartridges. It mentions .22 LR shot (context suggests it's for firing from a .22 rifle), and there's mention of .22-bore shotguns using special cartridges, but it doesn't say those cartridges are .22 LR. Oh -and it's all uncited.

I propose to remove "shotguns" from the lede, and the bit about shotguns from the "Shot cartridges" section.

And it would be cool if someone could explain how the barrel of a .22 rifle responds to having shot blasted down it. Or at least, cite the claim. MrDemeanour (talk) 19:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

, Removed "shotguns" from the lede, and removed reference to shotguns firing "special" 22 caliber shot cartridges from the "Shot cartridges" section. Tagged that section for absence of citations; I intend to remove the whole section if it remains completely uncited. MrDemeanour (talk) 15:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 27 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per nominator rationale and provided evidence. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 14:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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• .22 Long Rifle → .22 long rifle
• .22 Short → .22 short
• .22 Extra Long → .22 extra long
• .222 Rimmed → .222 rimmed

– Per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS, not consistently capped in sourced. These are descriptive names and capitalisation is not necessary. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Evidence

• .22 Long Rifle - mixed usage in ngram (here). Google books ([1]) - often capitalised when introducing the acronym (eg here). While this is a style, it is not WP style per MOS:EXPABBR. Such uses are not useful in determining usage in prose. The usage in the book search is not inconsistent with the ngram. Google scholar (here) also show mixed usage. It is not consistently capped in sources and capitalisation is not necessary.
• .22 Short - mixed usage in ngram when contexturalised (here). Google books (here) has multiple entries representing a single editorial style (eg Gun Traders Guide) that represent a single editorial style that should be weighed accordingly. Use in tables (eg here) does not help resolve use in prose. Google scholar (here) shows mixed usage. On balance, the results indicate the term is not consistently capped in sources and that capitalisation is not necessary.
• .22 Extra Long - Only capped in ngram here but percentages indicate a small sample size subject to sampling errors. google books have multiple entrie for Gun Traders Guide and the ATF that represent a single editorial stle that should be weighed accordingly. Some use in tables (eg here) that is not useful in resolving prose usage and allcaps usage which is similarly unhelpful. Snippets in google scholar (here) only indicate lowercase. While the evidence of usage might be marginal. However, considering this is inherently a descriptive name and not a true proper name|noun (particularly with comparison to LR and other examples herein, there is no good reason to caps are necessary in this case.
• .222 Rimmed - no ngram or google scholar, google books (see also [2]) - 2 relevent snippets but use is in tables.[3], [4]. No sources to show that capitalisation is necessary, particularly when this is inherently a descriptive name and not a true proper name|noun.

Cinderella157 (talk)

• Support per nom's thorough research, evidence, and rationale, based on MOS:CAPS and other guidelines and policies. Dicklyon (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose. These are generally treated as proper nouns, no different to .223 Remington, for example. Both the C.I.P. and SAAMI also use the capitalised form (check the entries for .22 Long Rifle, for example). Elshad (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

"Remington" is the name of a company and the surname of its founder. That's not a similar matter. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

And what matters is how these are used in sentences, not how they are listed in tables. Those linked docs don't have them in any sentences, so give no clue about whether they would treat them as proper names. Dicklyon (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support—Sorry, must be consistently capped out there. It's not. Tony (talk) 04:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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