Talk:Çatalağzı power station

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Çatalağzı power station received 5 million lira capacity payments for 2020? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jeyran (wife of Naser al-Din Shah)
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Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I changed the "X Million" to "5 Million", as Roman numerals in the Main Page may look weird to others without context. GeraldWL 07:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis Thanks very much for approving this. Just to clarify the 5 million lira is only for November 2020. As the figures are released 3 or 4 weeks after the end of the month I expect the December figure to be published soon. Then I should be able to insert the total for 2020. Meanwhile I am doing my QPQ review which I hope to complete in the next few days. However it is possible I may have miscounted and still have one free before I need a QPQ - if so please let me know. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

So I have miscounted things. Considering you have 5 DYK credits, you need to review a nomination. I see that you're still reviewing a nomination, is that true? If you've approved that nomination, I'll go ahead and approve this nomination too. GeraldWL 08:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah is there a tool or easy method you used to count 5? If so it would be useful for me to check for the review I am now doing. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Chidgk1, use this tool. Insert your user name there (exclude the "User:"). GeraldWL 08:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• This hook barely scrapes by our minimum character count requirement with 1513 characters. Is there anything more you could add? BTW, what is a 5 million lira capacity payment? Capacity is usually measured in volume, not in monetary terms. Yoninah (talk) 14:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oh and it's not sourced. GeraldWL 15:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Good question - in my opinion the use of "capacity payment" by the government here is an example of greenwash designed to confuse the public. In theory a "capacity payment" is a payment to make sure power generation capacity (such as a power plant you can turn up or down regardless of wind and sunshine) remains available in case of need. But here it is just a euphemism for a subsidy, as there are so many idle or underused gas and coal plants that even if you scrapped all the coal plants there would still be no risk of blackouts (I can cite that to a reliable source if necessary).

I was thinking of giving a total amount of money for the year(which is why I have not cited it yet), so is it possible you could put this on hold until next month as I now think the December payment will not be published until then? If not I will add up Jan to Nov (with cites) and revise the hook to say "over ........ million dollars subsidy in 2020". And if the hook should be longer I can add stuff about it being closed due to a smoking chimney and then reopened. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

My suggestion is to just cite the currently-known one and not wait until a report's published. If it eventually doesn't, you'll be disappointed. Play safe, I guess is the right word. GeraldWL 15:31, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Chidgk1, why is lira cited in the hook? That is more or less a disambiguation article, since "lira" is the name of several denominations. I suspect that it is Turkish lira, you could use a piped link to link there. And anyway, do you think wikilinking the currency is neccessary? The lira doesn't seem to have anything to do with the article (I mean you wouldn't link dollar any time a US payment is mentioned). Imo it makes sense to wikilink it in the article for clarity (and then to the specific Turkish lira), but not in the hook. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• OK, I did some editing on the article and see that you have more interesting facts to build a hook from than the one you proposed, which frankly doesn't make sense. Here are some alts for your consideration:
• ALT1: ... that according to Greenpeace, air pollution such as that produced by the coal-fired Çatalağzı power station increases the risks of the COVID-19 pandemic in Turkey?
• ALT2: ... that after Turkey's Environment Ministry granted a one-year temporary licence to reopen the coal-fired Çatalağzı power station, the Right to Clean Air Platform complained it was still emitting thick smoke? Yoninah (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• Between the two alts, I think alt1 is hookier. 2603:7000:2143:8500:6960:9DFE:CAD2:CC8E (talk) 19:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

• ALT3:... that the coal-fired Çatalağzı power station was subsidized 36 million lira (about 5 million USD) for 2020? Source: "Subsidies/support for electricity producers ...... capacity mechanisms" Page 37 of [1] Sum of monthly payments at [2]

• ALT4:... that electricity consumers had to pay the coal-fired Çatalağzı power station 36 million lira (about 5 million USD) extra in 2020? Source: "The amount of the support is a part of the transmission network fee. It means that the cost of the support granted under the capacity mechanism is incurred by all consumers through the payment of the transmission network fee" Page 37 of [3] Sum of monthly payments at [4]

@Gerald Waldo Luis, Yoninah, and LordPeterII: Thanks for your patience and suggestions. I have now added a QPQ above, and 2020 total payments into the article. I am a bit reluctant to use ALT1 as I would rather wait for more conclusive evidence of covid-19 linked specifically to a particular coal-fired power plant. I would be happy with ALT2 (have linked ministry) and have also suggested ALT3 and ALT4 for your consideration. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

ALT4 looks better for me. GeraldWL 09:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

OK fine. So once you have ticked off the QPQ if there is anything else I need to do please let me know. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

All good for me now. Now, you'll just have to wait for the DYK coordinators to decide. GeraldWL 14:06, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

The most recent proposed hooks need a review. Sorry, I am not interested in the subject to do the review. Flibirigit (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

• Approving ALT2 as the hook of most general interest. (The COVID link is tenuous and the significance of the capacity payment is unclear.) The QPQ has been done. Good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

payment notes

from https://www.teias.gov.tr/tr-TR/kapasite-mekanizmasi-odeme-listeleri

jan feb mar apr may all zero

jun 6438550.35

jul 3948278.84

aug 4078760.05

sep 3350880.32

oct 6328297.38

nov 4990570.72

dec 7083811.23

6438550.35

3948278.84

4078760.05

3350880.32

6328297.38

4990570.72

7083811.23

Total 36219148.89