Talk:? (2011 film)

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS STUPID QUESTION MARK SUPPOSED TO BE? IS EVEN WIKIPEDIA DECENDING INTO DRIVEL AND GARBAGE? THE HELL WITH YOU THUGS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean McHugh (talk • contribs) 10:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Update needed

The article says that it will compete in the Indonesian Film Festival in October. An article used as a source says the winners will be announced November 27.[1] What happened? Did it win anyhing? MathewTownsend (talk) 01:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:? (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 18:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC) Hi, I will start this review shortly.

• Please note that I put a request on the talk page that the article needs updating but there has been no response. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:10, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry. I've been looking for reliable sources for it (a blog says it won only one award) but they have yet to be forthcoming. I did not watch the presentation myself, sadly. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Review notes

• This is a very interesting film. I have a few comments below. All in all I see no great problems. I'm really impressed that the sources are archived!
• I did some copy editing and feel free to change anything you don't agree with.

• The plot section was very hard to understand and I think it could be expanded just a little for clarity. It was difficult to keep track of who was who. I think a "Cast" section would be helpful for the reader to be able to refer to.

• I'm waiting for the DVD to come out for that. It's not in theatres anymore. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
• Why are only some of the religions linked?

 Done Linked all.

• "since she converted" - from what

 Done - From Islam. I thought it was implied as her son was Muslim, but no harm in making it clearer.

• Why is Abi ostracized?

 Done - Because the neighbours disapprove of his mother.

• "he dies when suicide bombing a church when Menuk rejects him." - don't understand this.

 Done

• For a person not completely familiar with the relationships among the three religions mentioned, some links or brief explanations would help.

Like a background section?

• Production

• Is there any information about the writing of the screenplay?

• None has been forthcoming online from what I can see. I've been dying to get the DVD if / when it comes out for more background information.

• Any information about casting choices, where filmed and other production issues?
• "Its release coincided with a contest sponsored by a local cellular provider to give the best name to the events shown in the film." - I'm not sure what giving "the best name to the events shown in the film" means. What were the results?

• "Accolades"

• Is "Accolades" the best title for this section?

•  Done Changed to awards

• "As of October 2011, ? is slated to compete in the 2011" - this needs updating, as the results were to be announced November 27.

•  Done

• "Controversy"

• "The youth group Banser, part of NU" - what is NU? What is Banser besides a youth group - what kind of youth group?

• Partially done. (NU) added after the first use of Nahdlatul Ulama

Please feel free to contact me and/or ask questions and provide feedback.

MathewTownsend (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

• I've done some of the basics. I will work on a characters section asap. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

A few more

• I don't mean a "background" section on religion, just a little more explanation of how religion and society interact there.

• e.g. why is Abi ostracized? Isn't being Muslim ok there? Or is it because of his mother being Catholic?
• Also, when Hendra decides the restaurant will serve exclusively pork, no more is said on that issue. Didn't that have some effects?
• Surya receives an offer from Rika to play the role of Jesus at her church's Christmas pageant, which he accepts for a high fee after hesitating - does he hesitate because he'll be playing a Christian role? And the "high fee", what is the significance of that? (He's a "ne'er-do-well Muslim actor", so does getting this job make him ok?)

Other things

• Hendra comes into conflict with Soleh over Menuk, as Hendra had previously dated her. Menuk becomes increasingly depressed after Soleh tells her that he plans to divorce her. - (but then) - Eventually, Soleh joins the Islamic group Nahdlatul Ulama, enabling him to feel more confident; however, after Menuk refuses to take him back ... (I thought he was the one who wanted to divorce her. Did he want the divorce because he lacked self confidence?)

• However, its becoming clearer. Your edits helped! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Alright, I've got most of those down. I'm still going to work on getting a character section in there. Where do you think the religious information should be worked in? I'll also probably give a sentence or two about discrimination against Chinese Indonesians. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Reply - I think just a little more explanation in the plot. Nothing elaborate - just the things I mentioned. Since religious conflict drives the plot, it would help if were clear how it does. I know about the three major religions mentioned, but I don't know how they interact in Indonesia. That's all. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Background has been added. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Perhaps a little too much background. How about:

• "? focuses interfaith relations in Indonesia where interfaith conflicts are common and there is a long history of violence and discrimination against Chinese Indonesians."

• Otherwise, it gets a little off topic. Let the plot tell the story. MathewTownsend (talk) 02:03, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• Trimmed. Anything else? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

• I made a few changes but feel free to correct. It's all fine. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Does it follow the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

• Awesome, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Best Featured Article Ever

I LOVE the lead for this article as today's featured article! Absolutely great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.92.199.90 (talk) 02:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

It certainly made me click through.
--Cogniac (talk) 03:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Me too, although it looked like a browser error. 50.39.110.236 (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I liked the lead too; it made me click as well. :) —Lowellian (reply) 03:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

• I'm very much glad everyone's enjoying this.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

April Fool's?

hahaha