Help talk:Multilingual support (Indic)

Notes

Usage Notes

Please put this template on pages with lots of Indic script (Brahmic scripts) text or pages where users are inadvertently changing Indic text so that it isn't 'Unicode compatible'. Hopefully this should not only educate users but cut down on the number of reverts we have to do!

Please add additional OS or language information as required.

How to enable?

Complex text support needs to be manually enabled.

Okay. How? -shuri 16:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

That's coming next! Give me some time :) You can trying the Punjabi Computing Resource Centre link at the bottom of the page which applies for all Indic scripts, not just Gurmukhi. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 16:53, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks; hadn't even realised this was a new page. -shuri 17:35, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Many Scripts Not Showing up in Firefox (V10.0) on Mac OS X (V10.6.8)

I use Firefox (V10.0) on a Mac OS X (V10.6.8). Although many non-Roman scripts display correctly, a number of them do not, and here are some examples: Burmese, Kanada, Amharic, Malayalam, Sinhalese, Khmer, etc.

Is there a single method that makes all of the different scripts display? Or does the problem have to be solved script by script? --Roland 23:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

TODO

Research Sinhala, Syloti Nagri, Limbu and other Indic scripts in Unicode. Need more information on Vista, Mac OS and Linux. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 19:06, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Windows 95, 98, ME and NT

"Mozilla Firefox does not support Indic scripts on these operating systems."

This is not true. You just need the proper fonts. I'm using Firefox on a Win98 computer. Until this last week, I did not see the most of the examples, but I have downloaded and installed a several fonts since then, and now they all the scripts seem to display properly. BlankVerse ∅ 04:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure about this? The page is about 'complex text support' not just Indic fonts. There are two main types of encodings for Indic scripts: The archaic, mismash known as proprietary fonts which substitute ASCII characters for Indic characters and Unicode fonts which require a complex text renderer to work. The first type will work with any browser - the second type, which is what this page is on about, will not! Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 09:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

You can view Hindi on win98 with IE6, provided you have enabled CTL support. I think you can use tavultesoft's keyman for typing. BTW, you are welcome to copy-paste any instructions from the kannada wikipedia: http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kannada_Support

Pamri • Talk 14:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

There seems to be a lot of information there! I'll take a look. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 16:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The link to special build of firefox "http://blacksapphire.com/firefox-rtl/" leads nowhere. tagMacher 07:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Windows XP

Select the "Languages" tab and make sure you select the option saying "Install files for complex script and right-to-left languages (including Thai)". A confirmation message should now appear - press "OK" on this confirmation message.

What if that box is already checked, but the scripts still display incorrectly? — Ливай | Ⓣ 18:22, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, this problem seems to be specific to Firefox. They look fine in IE. — Ливай | Ⓣ 18:32, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Go to Tools-Options-languages. Set default character encoding to utf-8. --Pamri • Talk 07:38, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

For some reason, my Internet Explorer will for example display ક + િ → કિ where the second devanagari-letter is just a square box. The final, combined letter as well as the first letter will display correctly. In Firefox and Opera this is not a problem, but I would like to fix it for Internet Explorer. Any clues? Oh and I have Norwegian Win XP with the complex script box checked. 80.202.105.84 22:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Burmese in Firefox working: After following instructions under "Viewing Indic text" (with a few minor adjustments for incorrect menu directions, and selecting "GNU Unifont") - Burmese still wouldn't display on my Firefox v3.6.13, just as it says. I eventually found http://my.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Font and downloaded WinMyanmar. It installed some stuff, but I ignored that and simply (eventually) went (in Firefox) to Tools, Options, Content, (under Fonts & Colors) Advanced, and under "Fonts for:" I selected "Other Languages" and then selected Myanmar3 for both Serif and Sans-serif. Then the Burmese script showed up. I can only hope it looks like it's supposed to for now, and that maybe this will help someone else.. UnRheal (talk) 13:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Windows XP without CD

Does anyone know how to display it without a CD? I lost mine Aleksei 10:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you can. You need to use the Windows XP CD to copy over the required files. If you bought your PC from a big company they often have a copy of such files already on your hard drive or on separate backup CDs. Alternatively, you can use IE 6 to view Indic text, but you won't have native system support. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 18:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Modify template look?

It was just added to Hinduism and I think it looks like a dispute tag or such. Also, can it be modified to be a single line across the page so that it takes up less space? --Pranathi 05:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

There are three templates, Template:IndicText, Template:IndicTextCentre and Template:IndicTextRight. The main template "IndicText" is designed to slot neatly over infoboxes on the right hand side. However for some article layouts this is not correct in which case you can use the other two templates. Please leave the right-aligned template as it is but feel free to change the others. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 14:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:MalayalamScript

Template:MalayalamScript has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:MalayalamScript. Thank you. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Tibetan Script

Some of the pages that have Tibetan script (not all) on Wiki have an Indic language warning tag that points to this article - but it doesn't say anything about Tibetan. It might take users a while to figure out how to display Tibetan - like it did me. I downloaded a font, and all is well. I put up a note on the Talk:Tibetan script page, but thought I should post here too.

How can we make it easier for users to see the Tibetan script? Should a new warning tag with info about Tibetan script replace the Indic language warning tag, or should this article page be edited to include Tibetan? I had multi-language support enabled in Windows, but it did not help me out. I could see Chinese, Thai, Russian, etc. script, but not the Tibetan. I'm not real savy on font matters, but if it was frustrating for me, it probably will be for other users - especially on pages that have no script warning tag, like Tibet. What do you think? --Dorje Shedrub 22:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Tibetan is an Indic script so if you find any specific information for it, then you should probably add it here. However, as far as I am aware Windows XP does not natively support Tibetan, even with standard fonts or SP2. Vista however, DOES support it, although that's not out yet. I've got installed "Machine Uni" which doesn't work on Firefox, but works fine on IE. It appears as if you'll need an update Uniscribe version for it to work. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:51, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I installed Tibetan Manchine Uni TTF and the Tibetan script on Wiki displays fine for me using Firefox 1.5. I downloaded it from The Tibetan and Himalayan Digital Library. They may have some other fonts too, read something about web font (on a previous page on that link). You are correct about Windows not supporting Tibetan. Are we talking about the same font? --Dorje Shedrub 04:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes it's the same font. Are you sure that the characters stack up properly? I can see the actual characters in Firefox, but they don't stack. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 11:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm at a disadvantage in that I can't read Tibetan. However, I noticed that the script shifted after I made an adjustment in my display settings. I enabled "smooth edges on fonts" under my effects settings. This also helped the Tibetan on another non-Wiki page display better. There is information about this at The Tibetan Language Student, and several other fonts, including the font they use, Tibetan Machine Web, which can be downloaded at that link. Let me know if that makes a difference. I'm sure there is a way, because I know some Tibetan translators that use Firefox, and also, with the proper font installed, I can also view Khmer - which I can read a little. --Dorje Shedrub 16:08, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Those fonts do not appear to be Unicode fonts for Tibetan and so are probably not appropriate for Wikipedia. They'd have to be converted into Unicode. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 12:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Gnome & KDE

Gnome:

You do not need to do anything to enable viewing of Indic text in Gnome 2.8 or later, except that Gnome Terminal (as recent as 3.0.0) does not support Indic text. Older versions may have support for some, but not all Indic scripts. Ensure you have appropriate Unicode fonts for each script you wish to view or edit.

KDE:

You do not need to do anything to enable viewing of Indic text. Ensure you have appropriate Unicode fonts for each script you wish to view or edit.

Not true. I'm using Fedora Core 5, and most Indic scripts are not displayed, be it under Gnome or KDE - only boxes with an hex code inside are seen instead of the letters. I can see Devanāgarī, Gurmukhī and Tamil scripts without any problems, though. What are the fonts I need to install? --Fibonacci 22:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Both Gnome and KDE have the rendering support for other scripts. I'm not sure how many scripts KDE supports, but Gnome supports most, if not all Indic script in Unicode 4.0. Look for appropriate script fonts here: [1]. Apart from installing fonts, you shouldn't need to do anything to enable the complex rendering support. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, it's working fine. --Fibonacci 23:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, KDE (at least on Kubuntu 7.0.4) doesn't support Devanagari right out of the box; the Unicode fonts are installed by default, but the infixes do not render properly, as verified by the "correct rendering / your computer" table at the top. The page should be modified to reflect this. If I manage to find a workaround, I will gladly update the page to reflect it. 76.24.30.124 16:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

What about Southeast Asian scripts?

All of the scripts render correctly for me (except Oriya, for which I don't have a font, but that's not a problem), but Burmese doesn't. I'm using Windows XP. Any suggestions? Angr (talk • contribs) 18:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Uhmm, if you have info on other Indic scripts (Burmese, Tibetan etc.) please do add it. But, Windows XP doesn't have support for Burmese. Windows Vista will as far as I know support it out of the box. You may be able to get Windows XP to render Burmese if you upgrade the Uniscribe engine: [2] - although you'll have to search around for it. Alternatively wait until IE 7 comes out! Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 18:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm not going to use Internet Explorer for anything! I was using Firefox, and just this moment updated to Graphite-enabled Deer Park, which helps (Burmese rendering is better than it was, but still not perfect). But that's only for the Internet; I guess I'll have to wait for Vista before Burmese renders correctly in MS Word and other programs. Angr (talk • contribs) 19:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Mac OS X

I haven't tried many indic scripts yet, but I know that Devanagari simply doesn't display in Firefox on Mac, making the claim that 'safari is more consistent' a bit misleading. Unless someone knows something I don't about getting Indic and specifically Devanagari to display on Mac 10.4 in Firefox at all? --Samzy

It would be nice if someone could alert the developers at Mozilla that is indeed a pain in the ass.

Firefox does display Devanagari and other indic fonts (tested with version 2.0.0.1 on OSX 10.5.1), albeit without complex text rendering (िप as पि ). -- megA (talk) 10:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I've tried both of the add-ons recommended for Firefox and am unable to get Sanskrit to display at all. Is there something available for Sanskrit? Wakablogger (talk) 19:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Wakablogger

Shortcut Name

Hi,

There's now a shortcut available to this page on WP:ECTS. It should make it easier to point users over here. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 10:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Debian

I've installed ttf-indic-fonts and now Devanagari seems to work but I only see individual consonant letters and detached vowel diacritics in a row when viewing Bengali text. – ∅ (∅), 10:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Characters in the wrong order

Now I'm seeing all of the test ligatures on the project page in the wrong order! For example, in Devanāgarī (which I had no problem with since I installed Fedora Core 5 - I could see it even before I installed any special fonts), क + ि displays as क ि (without the whitespace), instead of in the correct order. I think the problem first appeared since I updated Firefox, but I had not tried to see any Indic text in a long time, so it could well be any other thing. What can I do about this problem? --Fibonacci 21:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This means that complex text rendering is not enabled. Firefox on Linux needs a special patch to work with Indic scripts. This comes by default with Fedora, but if you've used another source to update Firefox this may be why it no longer works. Make sure you update only from proper Fedora repositories. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 12:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The Fedora repos do not always have the last version. I've just checked, and they're still on 1.5.0.3. --Fibonacci 09:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Only on English Wikipedia

I use Netscape (set to display things like firefox) and Indic scripts cannot be viewed properly on English Wikipedia pages. However, I can read Indic text properly on all other websites (including Wiktionary (English and other) and Wikipedias in other languages etc.) and in English Wikipedia edit boxes whilst editing. Sometimes (completely randomly and only for a while) this changes so that the whole format is suddenly different - all Wikilinks are suddenly underlined (completely unrelated) and I can read Indic text. Unfortunately, it always goes back to normal after a while. --Grammatical error 05:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Split Complex Rendering Image into Sections

I wanted to arrange the complex rendering test into a table with the test text for each script next to the test image for that script. So I sliced Sukh's image into sections, one for each script, and I replaced the image and the table with a single table that has the images for the scripts in one column and the test text in another column. I didn't seek consensus first; I decided to be bold. If you feel my change is unacceptable, be equally bold and revert it. I won't take offense. --DavidConrad 05:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Seeking help and contribution

Dear Wikipedians,

We apreciate your valuable contribution in article named Wikipedia:Indic transliteration scheme on english WIkipedia.

We at Marathi Language wikipedia do not have enough expertise to update IPA related info in our article, specialy we have been unable to import/update IPA templates and do not know how to use IPA symbols.Please click here-this link- to provide help to update "IPA transliteration for Indic Languages" article for Marathi wikipedia

We seek and request for help in updating above mentioned article and would like to know relevant resources and refferences in respect of Devanagari and IPA .

Thanks and Regards

Mahitgar 16:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Please add information about SCIM

Hi, all new Linux distributions support & have SCIM packaged. Any information about inputting multilingual text on Linux is incomplete without a reference to scim. Please check - http://www.scim-im.org/

Thanks, Makuchaku

Gnome section erroneous

Hello, I've noticed a mistake under the Gnome section: "You do not need to do anything to enable viewing of Indic text in Gnome 2.8 or later". Unfortunately, according to the article Gnome, the latest release is 2.16. ॐ नमःशिवाय _{Śaiva Sujīt} सुजीत ॐ 06:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Apart from the non-existent version number above, Some Indic text is still not viewable in Gnome as of 2.24.1 Ubuntu Intrepid. --Osman S Borutecene (talk) 00:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Gnome 2.8 is not non-existent; it was released in 2004[3] — in version numbers, 2.eight comes before 2.sixteen. What text is not viewable still? Shreevatsa (talk) 01:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Editing Indic script on Vista

This document might be of some use to start that stub. http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/vista/Whats_New_Vista.mspx RC 03:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Ubuntu 7.04

I've already tried enabling Pango through the command line, but whatever I do, Firefox does not display conjuncts properly. The article says that Pango was disabled in Ubuntu 6.06; it seems to have remained that way. What do I do to get Firefox to display Indic text properly? --Śiva 18:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind; installing language support for one or more Indic languages seemed to do the trick. --Śiva 18:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Burmese script in Windows Vista

The page has a few fleeting references to Burmese script, which is related to Telugu script, so I'm guessing Burmese is on topic here. I am disambiguating [[Burmese]] today, so I'm seeing a lot of Burmese. I thought I was getting Burmese rendering, but it turns out those pages use images for the text (eg, Pyin U Lwin). Pages with actual text render as "????" (eg, Burmese script). I am running Windows Vista on this machine. Do I need more multilingual support?  Randall Bart   Talk  22:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I notice that Unicode 3.0 (February 2001) has "Myanmar" characters at 1000-1059. As I recall at the time, Unicode 3.0 was considered a major cut off point—those languages that made 3.0 were sure to be in anything with extensive multilingual support. Why does Vista not support everything in Unicode 3.0? {{Burmese characters}} gives directions to a font to load, but with all the megacruft that Vista carries, it's strange that an alphabet used by millions was omitted, no matter how poor support for said language was pre-Vista. Perhaps the Myanmar government has offended the Prince of Blue Screens.  Randall Bart   Talk  19:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

There is new rendering for Myanmar Unicode, which was updated with Unicode 5.1 (from Unicode 4.0 release). Currently, only 3 Unicode 5.1 compatible fonts exist, Myanmar3, Padauk, and Parabaik. To get the fonts to working you need to install one of the fonts, because no OS comes with support for Myanmar Unicode. --Hintha (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I have added more help and the template {{Burmese characters}} to Viewing Indic text. At least installing padauk worked on my Vista (which does not have this font pre-installed), no idea if it works for Linux. 84user (talk) 14:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

odd rendering problem Firefox on XP

I have full font support under Windows XP (I installed everything on the CD), and have Complex scripts enabled in Firefox and UTF-8 encoding. However, Indic glyphs do not merge properly on Wikipedia pages. They look fine on pages such as http://marathiblogs.net/font_problem, and in the edit window of Wikipedia, but as soon as I hit Show preview or Save page, they break apart. (Vowels are carried by that broken circle, etc.) I've tried Mangal, Sancrit 2003, and Arial Unicode as my default Nagari font, to no avail. Any ideas what's wrong?

Thanks, kwami 08:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and every once in a while they do display correctly, until I refresh the page. kwami —Preceding comment was added at 08:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Says I need to open xterm and type MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO=1. How do I open xterm? I see nothing in the articles on Pango, xterm, nor on the links provided on how to do this. kwami 10:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Deprovement" in IE 7.0

I'm using Internet Explorer 7.0 which is an upgrade from Internet Explorer 6.0 Service Pack 1. When I was using IE 6.0, I could read Khmer script and Ge'ez script by downloading relevant software, according to the respective articles. But after I've upgraded to IE 7.0, I found that I cannot read Khmer script anymore! I haven't check for Ge'ez script, but I also found that I cannot read Lontara even though I've installed the fonts! What's going on!? --אדמוןד ואודס_{自分の投稿記録} 15:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not entirely certain what causes the problem on your system, but Wikipedia employs a few hacks to "help" IE6 choose the right fonts for specific scripts. Those hacks dont' work anymore for IE7, unfortunately. —Ruud 19:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you mean but the Khmer script works perfectly on IE7. However, you can find instructions on how to change default fonts & sizes for Khmer and other scripts on this website. Hope this helps. - Io Katai (talk) 12:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Sinhala works on OSX 10.5

Hmm... in the table i can see Sinhala correctly rendered. The table says "no". But I have Kaputa Unicode installed... so, does this mean OSX 10.5 does or does not render Sinhala correctly? -- megA (talk) 10:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I checked that it works for me on 10.5 (using Malithi Web), and changed that entry to "needs font" (along with Kannada and Telugu, which I personally know work on 10.4 and 10.5). If your font Kaputa Unicode is available freely, please insert that information into the article as well. shreevatsa (talk) 14:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Bengali and Malayalam work as well with free fonts. Whereas Oriya doesn't... changed the table. -- megA (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Um, I checked the Sinhala rendering and the characters are NOT in the right order with Kaputa... works with Malithi... and the Lao script is displayed correctly in the Lao script article but not in this table here... -- megA (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

This is because nobody filled in the Lao column yet. I was trying but was unable to find a good example. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 20:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I see. So the question marks I see are indeed question marks and not some obscure Unicode characters...? -- megA (talk) 10:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 21:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

That's very confusing. I now have to go and shoot myself. -- megA (talk) 23:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Why are Bengali fonts are so small?

I barely can read it where Hindi, Tamil and most of other Indic languages' font sizes are big by default. Is there any reason why Bengali font is so small? Tarikur (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

What Bengali font are you using, and on what platform? Mine (Rupali) appears comparable in size with the other scripts. MJ (t • c) 15:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not using any softwares. My point is how come Bengali font appear very small in a regular default browser compare to Hindi and other Indic languages. I can read Hindi, Tamil and many other language script where Bengali script appear very small. This is same for all the computers that I used (ie my computer, school's computers, library's computers and other computers). Tarikur (talk) 16:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Since you say you're seeing the page on a computer, you must be using some software, some operating system, and some font. What is a "regular default browser"? What operating systems, what browsers, and what Bengali fonts are installed on "all the computers" you have used? Shreevatsa (talk) 00:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not using any softwares or at least I did not download any font softwares on my computer. I am pretty sure my school did not download any Bengali or any other font softwares on the computer. I am using Windows XP Service pack 3 and my school and library's computers are using Windows Vista. On my school's computer, I use internet explorer browser(version 8 or 9 I believe) and on my computer, I use the Firefox 2.0 browser. All my computers have same problem, the Bengali font are too small to read, where Hindi font is pretty big and readable by default. Tarikur (talk) 06:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I am still waiting for the answer why Bengali fonts are very small. I am sick and tired of zooming into the screen in order to read Bengali fonts and them not supporting Bengali fonts. Like I said before, the problem is universal. I live America and every computer I went, it is the same case. I think I tried more than 20 different computers.Tarikur (talk) 06:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Tarikur, you mentioned that you are using Windows. The default Bengali unicode font there is Vrinda, which is extremely small. That's why you can see other languages correctly, but not Bengali.

Here is the solution, just configure your browser to use other fonts for Bengali text. Here are step by step instructions for that problem. The problem is indeed caused by Microsoft's Vrinda font, and using any other font fixes it. To obtain Solimanlipi and other regular sized Bangla unicode fonts, you can check out here.

Finally, we have a mailing list for Wikimedia-BD ... asking the question there would have been better ... as you'd get a faster reply.--Ragib (talk) 08:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Tibetan

My Notebook is running Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 on the Netbook Remix. I have followed the instructions for rendering support for Tibetan texts but I still cannot see it in Wikimedia Projects in certain instances. I have installed the fonts and have even enabled the Keyboard Indicator to type in Tibetan or Dzongkha but in certain Wikimedia articles Tibetan text is invisible. I confirmed this with User:BabelStone. I can see Tibetan on the Rongzompa article but not in the "your computer" section of the Help:Multilingual_support_(Indic)#Check_for_existing_support. B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I suspect this might be a Firefox bug. The difference between the Rongzompa article and this one seems to be that that one uses {{bo}} and this one uses {{lang}}:

• {{bo|t=རོང་ཟོམ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་བཟང་པོ}} produces: Tibetan: རོང་ཟོམ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་བཟང་པོ (HTML: <span style="font-family: Jomolhari,'Tibetan Machine Uni; font-size:larger;';">རོང་ཟོམ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་བཟང་པོ</span>) and
• {{lang|bo|རོང་ཟོམ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་བཟང་པོ}} produces: རོང་ཟོམ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་བཟང་པོ (HTML: <span xml:lang="bo" lang="bo">རོང་ཟོམ་ཆོས་ཀྱི་བཟང་པོ</span>)

In principle, the latter should work. If you can see the former and not the latter, it may be related to this Firefox bug I filed (no response), but it may be an entirely different bug as well. Hope something helps, Shreevatsa (talk) 18:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your very helpful analysis of the difference of these examples and your evaluation of the root cause of the challenge. I have followed your lead a sent Bug Report:417981. Is there any way that I may change the settings of how my computer interprets the template?ར

Cheers

B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

NB: I had tried both 3.5.2 and 3.0.13 and the Tibetan script in question is still not visible. I logged a Bug# 512220 for Shiretoko.

sudo is for the devanagari extended and vedic exensions

Would anyone know what the Ubuntu sudo is for the devanagari extended and vedic exensions? I would really appreciate if u could let me know on my chat page as I can't find it on the net.
B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:10, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Lao test?

In the “existing support” table, the Lao example ລາວ doesn’t appear to have anything tricky about it, such as glyph reordering, like the other scripts have. My rendering matches the current image just fine, but I’m thinking there must be something more complicated to render in Lao script than the name of the language. Could someone suggest a stronger test string? MJ (t • c) 21:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to Fibonacci for the example! MJ (t • c) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Languages messed up

Something about the article in other languages, if you try to watch it in another language, there are other languages available every time, for example Français, if you press it only English and Japanese are available, while in another language there are languages that aren't available on English, et cetera. Could someone please fix it on all the languages?

BinXy (talk) 13:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Which article are you talking about? Could you be more clear? Shreevatsa (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

He means that he wants a French page for this article. Although we have one now. Although it would be nice for other languages for this article, as not everyone understand english perfectly. (Decides to make a simple english article). Kanzler31 (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

No, actually BinXy is saying that the left column shows different language links in different versions of the article. Currently I see links to {German, French, Japanese, Hindi} in this English version, but the French and Japanese versions lack links to German and Hindi. And the German version linked to is not even on the same subject! It’s about how to use Old Gothic in Unicode. I don’t even know how to find out whether there is a German help article about using Indic scripts. Can someone with more experience fix this? Or do we generally leave these things to be fixed by editors in each language? MJ (t • c) 13:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It seems that only the English, French, Japanese and Hindi Wikipedias have a page on this subject (the German page that was linked is on some other topic, as you noticed), and the one on the Hindi Wikipedia is a duplicate of this page (in English). I've removed the German link (these "interwiki" links are near the very end in the wikitext); now each Wikipedia lists only the right ones. (Except that it's not really worth adding the Hindi page to other Wikipedias, and I couldn't edit the Hindi page to remove the German.)

As for creating the article themselves, it's up to editors on the respective Wikipedias. When they create a page and link to this one, a bot will (usually) automatically add a link to that page here, eventually. Shreevatsa (talk) 13:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Oriya?

I am having trouble with Oriya fonts. No matter where I download fonts for Oriya, they either:

• Are not for Windows XP (instead for Linux)
• Can be downloaded, but never appear in the Oriya fonts

My computer supports all the Indic scripts except Oriya. I am using Safari for Windows. Any help? Thanks.Kanzler31 (talk) 00:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I have not yet found any font (free or commercial) that renders Oriya conjuncts correctly on Mac. As of this writing even XenoType is still working on updating their Oriya fonts for OS X. MJ (t • c) 19:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I recently was able to buy a Windows 7 laptop which has an Oriya Font (Kingura) installed automatically. 99.35.49.75 (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Mac OS

The current Check for existing support table says that a number of OS X versions do not support certain scripts. I am changing all these to "needs font". All versions of OS X support Apple Advanced Typography (AAT), which will support any of the listed scripts, if only an AAT font is available. Actually, AAT support even predates OS X.

Now whether the OS X versions would also support a smart OpenType font for these scripts is a whole another issue. Many/some would not. But the table is not about support for smart OpenType fonts, but about script support. -- mach 🙈🙉🙊 18:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Firefox

Firefox 4.01 on Mac OSX Lion 7.2 shows Tibetan script correctly but neither 6.02, 7.02 or 8.0xx beta do though I used for all three Firefox versions the same setting as it is described here: http://digitaltibetan.org/index.php/How_to_configure_Web_browsers_for_correct_display_of_Tibetan_script There is no problem in Safari. --91.22.156.27 (talk) 23:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Help desk query re Tibetan text

Can anyone watching this page help out at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Multilingual_support? -- John of Reading (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

what's up with Google Chrome?

I'd like to switch over from FF because it's become such a memory hog, but the only Indian script Chrome renders is Gurmukhi. (It renders all others on this page but Lao.) Even IE has better font support than this. Am I doing s.t. wrong? I can't believe a browser would does not support at least Nagari, esp. when it supports Sinhala and Tibetan. — kwami (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

If you're into Unicode then Firefox is your only bet. I don't know much about Chrome's Unicode support but it isn't the best from what I've heard. Only thing you could do is use an old Firefox like 2 or 3... maybe. -- Liliana-60 (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That's disappointing. I mean, Hindi?? They support Maldivian. Yeah, FF went screwy around version 4.5. Maybe I will go back. — kwami (talk) 06:59, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow, it doesn't support Bengali even if I set it as my default language. And now not only can I not see any of the menu options, but Chrome refuses to reliquish Bengali as the default language. I think I'd have to reinstall the browser. What a piece of crap. — kwami (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I don’t get it. All 15 scripts render correctly for me on Mac in both Safari and Google Chrome, and all but one in Firefox (which apparently doesn’t talk to TrueType Collection files; I got Oriya Sangam MN.ttc from iOS). Kwami, are you on Windows? (If so, I’m no help.) MJ (t • c) 16:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm on Windows 7. I can delete English from my default languages, but not Bengali. Very strange. I'll try reinstalling.

Hm, I see Chrome also fails to support wikipedia-class tables (it misaligns rows when they overlap), and the formatting of cladistic diagrams, while not technically wrong, is misleading. It seems it lacks a lot of basic html support. — kwami (talk) 00:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Wait for sometime for mw:Extension:WebFonts get deployed on enwp with full support for all languages. Srikanth (Logic) 12:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Its been a while since this was posted... I see all of the rendering checks are working correctly on Chrome 26 / Mac OSX 10.8.3 with no special configuration or language setup. Should mention a potential WP:COI - I work for Google as a front-end web developer. I do not work on Chrome browser and Google is not involved in my Wikipedia contributions in any way (I am not paid for or otherwise compensated for these contributions). I'll therefore let other confirm support in Chrome and update the article if they see fit. — JonathanCross (talk) 00:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Spaces in the the majority of Indic scripts are incorrectly rendered as boxes on Chrome 26 (see above check table). Additionally, Chrome fails miserably on certain Latin characters (as in Help:IPA for Latin). Chrome 26 on out-of-the-box Windows 7 x64 installation. kashmiri 08:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Devanagari rendering error in Safari

Hi there, could someone please help me resolve this? I'm running Safari (v5.1.10) on Snow Leopard (v10.6.8.) Lately, Devanagari script rendering has been messed up for me on Wikipedia specifically while using Safari. The font itself renders, but diacritical marks are incorrectly placed, so that the word becomes unintelligible.

For example: the character "ki", which should correctly be rendered as िक, becomes क ि, which is "ka" followed by the diacritical mark that makes "ka" "ki"

What's weird is, whenever I load a Wikipedia page that has Devanagari text, the correct rendering shows up at first but seems to "refresh" and be replaced by the incorrect rendering right before the page finishes loading.

For the record, this problem does not exist when using Wikipedia on Firefox for me.

I'd appreciate any and all help! Thank you. Shark0913 (talk) 21:30, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Support for Meitei script

I propose support for Meitei script should also be added here. Also Kaithi should be merged here from Help:Multilingual support. --SlowPhoton (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:COMPLEX" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:COMPLEX. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 25#Wikipedia:COMPLEX until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 10:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

What the...?

People come here to get help on technical issues, not for visiting dating sites! Yet someone put a link (http://xenotypetech.com/) telling that this site would provide Indic fonts, and when I click it, it takes me to a Japanese dating website! I have seen such things on Wikipedia for several times. Please see to this issue, it is degrading the educational quality of Wkipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.234.93.235 (talk) 07:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for reporting this. I assume that was a useful link when it was added in 2007. It's common for expired domains to be taken over in this way. I have removed the link from the help page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

ŠšBîî Fłłÿ Šmøk 36.37.142.215 (talk) 16:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

any idea why recent unicode blocks would display, but old ones are tofu?

I have font support, not just Noto but also SIL fonts, so that shouldn't be the problem.

With Geʽez_script#Unicode, the basic block is mostly okay [scattered tofu], the higher blocks are completely tofu, but Extended-B displays perfectly.

With Burmese, the language tag, which includes <span lang="my">, seems to be the problem. If I change the 'my' to something else [e.g. 'ru' or 'ja'], Burmese displays perfectly; by with the language set to 'my' it's tofu.

With Burmese, I figure it might be FireFox or my Linux OS, but with Geez I'm puzzled. I would expect the most recent blocks to be the problem, not the older ones. — kwami (talk) 04:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess is that your browser is trying to render the glyphs using a font that doesn't contain them (or incorrectly advertises itself as containing them). In Chrome, if you right-click -> inspect, then at the bottom of "Computed" it shows "Rendered Fonts", i.e. which fonts were used for the element in question. There may be something equivalent on Firefox. You could also try to narrow down the issue by looking at what happens in other applications like a text editor or word processor. Shreevatsa (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any font definitions on the Geez page apart from 'sans-serif', but I do get the same behaviour in a minimal text editor, unless I actively pick the display font. Odd, I don't recall that behaviour for Geez in the past. Anyway, obviously a bigger problem than just here on WP, though it would be nice to know how to fix it. One of the reasons I stuck it out with MS for so long was its better language support; maybe Linux still hasn't caught up. — kwami (talk) 13:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)