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Financial Ombudsman Service
FormationOperational: April 2000
Statutory footing: 18 June 2001 (2001-06-18)[1]
TypeOmbudsman
HeadquartersLondon
Location
  • United Kingdom
Chief Executive and Chief Ombudsman
Abby Thomas
Websitewww.financial-ombudsman.org.uk

The Financial Ombudsman Service is an ombudsman in the United Kingdom. It was established in 2000, and given statutory powers in 2001 by the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000, to help settle disputes between consumers and UK-based businesses providing financial services, such as banks, building societies, insurance companies, investment firms, financial advisers and finance companies.[2][3][4]

Overview

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The Financial Ombudsman Service can deal with complaints from consumers about most financial matters including, for example: banking, insurance, mortgages, pensions, savings and investments, credit cards and store cards, loans and credit, hire purchase and pawnbroking, financial advice, stocks, shares, unit trusts and bonds.

From November 2009 money-transfer operators also came under the ombudsman's remit.

Before the ombudsman can step in, the consumer must first give the business they are unhappy with the opportunity to look into the complaint itself – before the ombudsman service can make a decision on the dispute. The business has a maximum of 8 weeks to resolve the complaint. If they do not resolve it within 8 weeks or the consumer is not happy with the response then they can refer the complaint to the ombudsman service.[5]

The ombudsman has the authority to request or require a company to offer financial compensation, correct a consumer's credit file, or offer an apology, as a means of dispute resolution.[6]

Utilizing the ombudsman is a highly effective approach. It is both more cost-efficient and safer compared to seeking resolution through legal channels. Crucially, unlike the court system, which primarily focuses on whether a company has breached any laws, the ombudsman operates under the regulator’s ‘treating customers fairly’ principles. This allows the ombudsman to make decisions against companies even if their actions are legally compliant, as the ombudsman considers additional factors beyond mere legal compliance.

The three things it would look at are:

  • The law of the land. The primary source is the law. If companies' actions break the law, then it is clear-cut.
  • Regulators' rules and guidance. The rules of regulators, including the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), also play a key part. If the FCA has indicated how it wants firms to behave and a firm breaks that, it can be deemed unfair.
  • Good industry practice. This is the most interesting one, as it allows the ombudsman to define what good practice is.

In most cases, it means the ombudsman will look at any trade bodies’ standards, such as the Lending Code. It can also evaluate what is considered standard ethical practice and what would be deemed reasonable given the situation. If a company deviates from these norms, it may judge its conduct as unjust and take steps to rectify the issue.

What sort of products/services can one complain about? The ombudsman handles a broad spectrum of issues, having addressed over 280,000 complaints from April 2022 to March 2023 alone. Their remit extends beyond regulated financial activities to encompass overall company conduct, ensuring fair treatment in various aspects. If one is uncertain whether an issue falls within the ombudsman's scope or if one needs guidance on initiating a complaint, one can utilize the complimentary "complaint checker" available at their website. Here are some common areas where the ombudsman provides assistance:

  • Bank accounts. Current accounts are among the financial products that generate the highest volume of complaints to the financial ombudsman. In the past, the primary issue was dissatisfaction with bank charges, but this has shifted. Nowadays, a significant portion of banking complaints concerns fraud and scams.
  • Credit cards. The primary concern revolves around unjust credit card fees. Additionally, the ombudsman is equipped to address various forms of misconduct, including unexplained interest rate hikes, contested transactions, and failure to honor Section 75 claims.
  • Car finance. The ombudsman has observed a rise in complaints about car finance, especially concerning undisclosed commissions on hire purchase agreements. At present, the ombudsman has suspended issuing final rulings on complaints linked to the FCA's review of discretionary commission arrangements. For further details on affected parties and how to file a complaint, please refer to our car finance reclaim section and the free tool available. Nevertheless, the ombudsman will continue to investigate other types of car finance mis-selling, such as issues related to affordability, which the car buyer can read more about in the Mis-sold car finance section.
  • Debt collection and irresponsible lending. The ombudsman has the authority to review grievances related to debt collection agencies and the lending practices of any entity possessing a consumer credit license, which encompasses payday lenders as well. For example, if one feels a lender is being harassing or not treating one properly according to the FCA Consumer Credit handbook, a complaint can be made. The ombudsman will need to see that one has tried to come to an arrangement with the lender but it will investigate if one thinks one has been treated unfairly. Also see the Debt Problems guide for info on how to sort out debts.
  • Payment protection insurance (PPI) and other insurance. A major area of grievances once revolved around the aggressive marketing of PPI. The ombudsman also oversees complaints concerning various insurance types, including car, home, travel, and pet policies, as well as roadside assistance, income protection, critical illness, and private medical insurance. Issues may involve rejected, delayed, or unpaid claims, failures to disclose important information, and other related matters. Since April 2013, when a company offers an insurance product, it is their responsibility to inquire about the necessary details to assess whether the policy fits the prospect's needs. Prior to this change, a prospect was expected to provide this information on their own initiative. Therefore, if the insurer denies the complaint and failed to ask the essential questions needed to determine one's eligibility for a claim, the complainant can escalate this issue to the ombudsman as a mis-selling claim.
  • Investments. The ombudsman does not handle grievances that are purely related to investment performance. However, it can assist with a variety of issues concerning with-profits or whole-of-life policies, unit-linked bonds, savings endowments, and stockbrokers. Additionally, it addresses situations where individuals are promised low-risk products but end up being sold higher-risk investments instead.
  • Mortgages and loans. This addresses a wide array of concerns, extending beyond just lenders to also encompass mortgage brokers. It involves examining how lenders manage issues related to mortgage arrears and evaluating whether a mortgage or loan was affordable at the time it was originally obtained.
  • Payday loans. Did the lendee get a payday loan that the lendee could not afford to repay, as the lender did not check the lendee's finances properly, or kept trying to sell the loan again and again? If so, the lendee may be able to reclaim £100s or even £1,000s – the ombudsman can help.
  • Pensions and annuities. Complaints can be about the suitability of a pension plan or administrative matters such as delays, though if one has administrative problems (involving an employer or trustees, for example), one should go to the Pensions Advisory Service first.
  • Savings. The ombudsman can look at ISA applications that are not processed correctly or on time, what happens to "rollover" savings bonds when they end, or other administrative errors.

In addition to financial reimbursement, the ombudsman can request that companies address additional issues, such as amending inaccurate information on a credit report or reinstating a no-claims discount. The ombudsman's goal is to restore the situation one would have been in if the company had acted correctly. [7]

Processes

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The ombudsman makes decisions on the basis of what it believes is fair and reasonable in the particular circumstances of each case. In making decisions on individual complaints, the law[8][9] requires the ombudsman to take into account: relevant law and regulations; regulator's rules, guidance and standards; codes of practice; and (where appropriate) what he/she considers to have been good industry practice at the relevant time.[10]

Funding

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The Financial Ombudsman Service is funded by the UK's financial services sector through a combination of statutory levies and case fees.[11][12] These are paid by financial businesses that are regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) or licensed by the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) and are automatically covered by law by the ombudsman service. The payment of these statutory levies and fees is not optional and they are payable whether or not a complaint is upheld by the Financial Ombudsman Service. The service is free to consumers. Between 2006 and 2009 the ombudsman service made use of case-handling services provided by Deloitte LLP, to handle the growing volumes of work generated by payment protection insurance complaints.

Impartiality

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The Financial Ombudsman Service publishes the proportion of complaints it upholds in favour of consumers. Across all complaints in 2013/2014 the ombudsman found 58% in favour of consumers.[13]

The ombudsman was set up by parliament to be an impartial and independent body, though its decisions can be criticised by the side that loses.[14][15][16][17][18][19]

Independent commentators acknowledge that the ombudsman service is a valuable free service for consumers – although those who feel they have "lost" a complaint might understandably feel let down and want to question the ombudsman's impartiality.[20][21] Some consumers have questioned the amount of redress awarded by the ombudsman[22] while many businesses expect the ombudsman to apply the compensation cap rigidly and lobbied against the increase (in January 2012) from £100,000 to £150,000 in the maximum compensation the ombudsman can tell a business to pay.[citation needed]

Various websites have been set up to complain about the Financial Ombudsman's partiality – usually by people who disagree with particular ombudsman decisions.[23][24]

Complaints-handling performance of individual financial companies

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Since September 2009 the Financial Ombudsman Service has been publishing complaints data on its website every six months about named individual businesses. The data provided relates to businesses which have 30 or more new cases, or 30 or more resolved cases, in each six-month period. The data shows the number of new complaints, and the proportion of complaints upheld in favour of consumers.

The complaints data shows that:[25]

  • just under 200 businesses (out of more than 100,000 covered by the ombudsman service) together generate around 90% of the complaints workload,
  • the number of complaints relating to each individual business ranges from 30 to over 45,000,
  • the proportion of cases upheld in favour of the consumer varies substantially from business to business – between 3% and 100%.

Budget and staffing levels

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The entire ombudsman staff in 2007 (including substantial number of ancillary staff) was 960. They managed to handle 627,814 initial enquiries and close 111,673 cases which had been sent to for adjudication. The BBC reported in September 2007 that the ombudsman planned to reduce staff numbers to 600, reflecting the decline in mortgage endowment complaints.[26] By December 2009 ombudsman staff had increased to over 1,000 – reflecting a substantially increased workload of 200,000 cases. Currently there are 4,500 people working at the ombudsman – reflecting a substantially increased workload of over half a million cases last year (2014/2015).

Staffing levels at the Financial Ombudsman Service fluctuate – as does the budget year-on-year – to match the volume of disputes it is dealing with. The number of staff required – and forecasts for complaints volumes and workload – are consulted on publicly each year in the ombudsman's corporate plan and budget.[27][28]

Status of Ombudsman decisions

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Around 90% of the disputes that the Financial Ombudsman Service resolves are settled at earlier informal stages, without the intervention of an ombudsman. An ombudsman's decision is the final stage of the Financial Ombudsman Service's process.[29] If the consumer with the complaint accepts a final decision, it is binding on both parties and enforceable in court.[30][31]

But if the consumer chooses not to accept an ombudsman's decision, their legal rights remain unaffected and they can take the matter to court instead – subject to any requirements set by the courts. However, independent commentators generally recommend that consumers should use the ombudsman service rather than the courts[32][33][34] as the outcome of court cases can be unexpected, disappointing and costly.[35]

However, there have been judicial reviews against the ombudsman, brought by financial services companies who have to accept the ombudsman's decisions which are binding in law. For example, in January 2011 the British Bankers Association – on behalf of a number of high-street banks – brought a judicial review against the ombudsman and the FSA on the approach to PPI complaints handling. The High Court rejected the banks' challenge and endorsed the approach taken by the ombudsman and the FSA.[36] The difficulty in winning a judicial review is that the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000[37] which led to the establishment of the Financial Ombudsman Service requires the ombudsman to make decisions "by reference to what is, in the opinion of the ombudsman, fair and reasonable in all the circumstances of the case".[38]

In a judicial review of an ombudsman's decision brought by an independent financial adviser (IFA), the judge further clarified that the ombudsman is "free to make an award different from that which a court applying the law would make".[39] This means that a litigant has to surmount the very high hurdle of proving that the entirety of the ombudsman's decision was so unfair that no right minded person would have made a similar decision. This is referred to as the Wednesbury unreasonableness principle which applies to any application for judicial review under made due to the irrationality of the decision.

Accountability

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The board of the Financial Ombudsman Service[40] is appointed by the Financial Conduct Authority – and the appointment of the chairman is approved by HM Treasury. The board's role includes guarding the independence of the ombudsman – from undue influence by the financial services industry and trade bodies, regulators, consumer groups and government. Board members are non-executive – they have no involvement in individual complaints.

The ombudsman can be asked to appear before the Parliamentary Treasury Select Committee who can be contacted by the consumer's MP.

In November 2011 the Financial Ombudsman Service became covered by the Freedom of Information Act 2000. The ombudsman's website has a page of information on this subject

Consumer satisfaction surveys – and surveys of businesses covered by the ombudsman – are conducted by the Financial Ombudsman Service on an ongoing basis. The results are published annually in the ombudsman's annual review.[41][42]

Customers of the Financial Ombudsman Service – both consumers and businesses – can seek redress from the Independent Assessor[43] if they are unhappy with the level of service they have received.[44]

The Independent Assessor is appointed by the board of the Financial Ombudsman Service. The current holder of the post is Gillian Guy, previously Chief Executive of Citizens Advice for England and Wales, whose appointment was announced by the Financial Ombudsman Service on 26 August 2020 to take effect from October 2020.[45]

The Independent Assessor reports formally to the board of the Financial Ombudsman Service – which publishes a report in full each year as part of the Financial Ombudsman Service's annual review.[46][47][48][49][50][51]

Triennial reviews

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The non-executive board of the Financial Ombudsman Service commissions three-yearly external reviews of the service.[citation needed]

Chief ombudsmen

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Criticism

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  • Employees have left overwhelmingly negative reviews on Glassdoor (with an average rating of 1.9 out of 5), blaming a decline in quality on recent (2016–2019) changes in the way the organisation is structured, although since then the rating has steadily improved.[53][54]
  • Timeliness – In the years since the ombudsman service was created, some consumers, businesses and commentators have suggested that the ombudsman takes too long to look at some complaints. In previous years, the ombudsman has seen complaints about some topical financial matters take longer to resolve than others (notably, mortgage endowments and payment protection insurance (PPI) due to the sheer volume of complaints received by the service.[55] The ombudsman's published annual review (2012/2013) showed 58% of all disputes were sorted out within six months – and 43% of non-PPI cases within three months.[56]
  • Questions as to their impartiality[57] due to the manner in which they are funded by the financial services, and that many employees have worked for financial services firms, mostly as solicitors who make up 38% of their brethren.[58][59] Though the ombudsman service currently upholds over 49% of complaints in favour of the consumer, there have been complaints that the awards are inadequate.[60]
  • As an ombudsman's decision is the final stage in the service's process, consumers who remain unhappy would need to pursue their complaint through the court.[61] (However no alternative has been suggested.)
  • Lack of fifteen-year long-stop: There is no fifteen-year "long-stop" rule in the complaints-handling rules made under the Financial Services and Markets Act. In its policy statement published in January 2003 – and following subsequent reviews – the Financial Services Authority (FSA) set out why there is no fifteen-year limitation period in the complaints-handling rules, stating: "We do not consider it is in the interests of consumers to rule out the possibility of complaints being dealt with outside the 15-year period that would apply to court cases. Nor do we consider this necessary to prevent hardship to firms."
  • Dispatches shown on Channel 4 went under cover at the FOS in 2017 and uncovered a number of issues. These included junior staff saying that they googled cases for answers, never told lenders to write off debts and general mishandling of cases. MPs called for a national inquiry into its work.[62] An independent investigation in 2018 found that the FOS "is performing at a level consistent with its publicly stated objectives."[63]
  • In October 2024, researchers at Warwick University stated that they had uncovered “some very concerning practices” at the Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS) relating to how it handles complaints. The FOS website says that, in 2023-24, across all products, it upheld 37% of the complaints it was asked to resolve. Researchers claimed their analysis suggests that, rather than the advertised 37% figure, the “genuine” rate for upheld cases for 2023-24 was 24%, and considerably lower than that for some individual ombudsmen.[64]

International Network of Financial Services Ombudsman Schemes

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The UK Financial Ombudsman Service is a member of the International Network of Financial Services Ombudsman Schemes, a global association whose members operate as out-of-court dispute resolution mechanisms in the financial sector.

Other members include:

A list of all members can be found at the International Network's website.

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