Draft talk:David Carnivale

Restoration discussion and sources

Please see discussion with subject at: User_talk:Star_Mississippi#David_Carnivale. I'm going to stub this but suggest making use of the sources identified there if you're interested in building this out. Star Mississippi 13:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Note from David Carnivale

copied from My Talk in this edit. No green to quote as that would not be legible. I will respond in the next edit.

Thank you. I confess to being confused about two things: the draft omits- two things that changed many lives; the 6.5 year lawsuit in New York State which noticeably improved the lives of 15,000 N.Y.S. architects and which led to a change in N.Y.S. law, and the 8.5 year federal lawsuit which led to everyone's domain name being far better protected by federal courts - I know it cannot help but sound immodest but those seem to have a certain importance worth noting, no? Besides, the many links I provided often go to official court records, law journals, etc. so the sources you required are there. Two minor suggestions: the number of projects my page mentioned (500) was out of date on my page; over the years that eventually ended up as being 700. Since I've more-or-less retired, that number is unlikely to change. There is a note that a citation is needed for the fact that "The Affordable House" was the second book published cover-to-cover on the internet: the Internet Archive link I provided shows the book in 1998 (the archive first noticed it that year, although it was on the web since 3/15/96); the Staten Island Advance article "Staten Island Advance. Thursday, March 4, 1999. Volume 113, Number 26, 564 Pages 1, D1 & D3 "Home, Home on the Web" by Karen O'Shea" (The Advance is the flagship newspaper for the entire Newhouse Publications organization and is thus a credible source) discusses it, and it was considered a proven fact by the Delaware District Court (twice), the Third Circuit (twice), the Federal Circuit and the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board based on the evidence submitted during all those trials and which are part of the court records, links to the various court sites of which I gave. Yes, I realize those were paper documents which the courts examined, and a scholar would need to look at the court records rather than a magazine article or such, but it is a citation, a source, and is provable to those wanting to research the matter.The Lakeman-Cortelyou house (which I closed my office one year to personally restore after having blocked the owner's intention to raze it- demolition work that had already begun when I stepped in and had the demolition permit cancelled) is not just the second oldest house on the island, but it is but it is accurate to say that the building is actually one of the oldest buildings in the country. Very few 17th century buildings exist in the states; maybe 100-125 at most. It is interesting that that house has seen the sun rise and set during five different centuries; the 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th and now the 21st. Wikipedia lists only 45 older 17th century buildings in the country (the Lakeman-Cortelyou house is oddly missing from the list of the oldest buildings in America - an oversight). I am not familiar with the workings of Wikipedia, so I'm not sure why the draft article says the draft is not being considered- maybe that's just an intermediary step. Lastly, the very few sentences my page had about biographical information was rather bare bones but seems now to be entirely missing; encyclopedias usually have some brief mention of a subject's background; at least a little bit might make for a fuller, more useful article. Thanks for reconsidering things. Sincerely yours, David Carnivale 2603:7000:6E3B:C199:38FD:2021:B394:832C (talk) 19:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC) Star Mississippi 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi David,

I moved your note here so everyone interested in editing can see it. You're welcome to participate here on the Talk. As far as biographical information, for a living person such as yourself we have stringent requirements. We can use WP:ABOUTSELF for some information. What I did when I restored this is I left the prior information in the history so if folks are able / inclined to add it back, they can easily do so. As far as the lawsuit, I'm not sure if it merits inclusion, but thank you for presenting details. For the historic house, I'm pinging @Epicgenius who works on a lot of NYC articles and may have some insight into what would be needed.

The draft not being considered is temporary. Just means it isn't yet ready for review since it wouldn't be accepted (yet) for the same reasons raised in the deletion discussion. Star Mississippi 20:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I would've thanked you sooner but - perhaps because of the solar flare - my ability to reach this page through two different browsers was disrupted for 24 hours. Sincerely yours, Dave Carnivale 2603:7000:6E3B:C199:ED85:CDA:132C:338A (talk) 04:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)