Category talk:Spouses of prime ministers of the United Kingdom
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[edit]Please see Talk:Spouses of the Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom#Further cleanup and categorisation with regards who should be included in this category. Timrollpickering 15:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The spouses of a prime minister of the United Kingdom is not a spouse of the national leader
[edit]Category:Spouses of national leaders the spouses of a prime minister of the United Kingdom is not a spouse of the national leader (whatever that is supposed to mean as there is more than one nation in the UK, and embodiment of the crown (the state) is the monarch not his or her first minister). -- PBS (talk) 13:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- did you read the category description of the parent; specifically, that is says this is for heads of state or heads of government. The UK is still considered a sovereign state, and "nation" often fills in for that. if you want to rename the parent category, you can propose it. Cheers, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Either the Prime minister is head of the government or the Queen is. If the Queen is not head of the government (after all it is her government) then why is in there a list of Category:Queens consort also under Category:Spouses of national leaders? The problem one has here, is the difference between the formal constitution and the informal constitution of the UK what Baghot distinguishes the Dignified (that part which is symbolic) and the Efficient (the way things actually work and get done). But however this is addressed the title Category:Spouses of national leaders ought to be moved to either "Spouses of heads of state" or "Spouses of heads of government" as nation is ambiguous for example the prime minster of the UK is not a national leader as the state contains more than one nation. Even if there was only one nation calling a Prime Mister "leader" is a strange way to describe them. For example the first minister of Scotland may be leader of the Scottish national party, but does that make him leader of Scotland (probably not as the nation is divided over the issue of independence)? -- PBS (talk) 11:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- The top-level category is simply a container category, and leader is just chosen as a simple catch-all word. If you want to rename that category, I suggest you bring it to CFD, but I don't think we need two separate categories (for spouses of heads of state and spouses of heads of government). Per Head_of_government, the UK prime minister is considered the head of government, and the Queen is considered the head of state. But I personally think the combined category is more useful.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Either the Prime minister is head of the government or the Queen is. If the Queen is not head of the government (after all it is her government) then why is in there a list of Category:Queens consort also under Category:Spouses of national leaders? The problem one has here, is the difference between the formal constitution and the informal constitution of the UK what Baghot distinguishes the Dignified (that part which is symbolic) and the Efficient (the way things actually work and get done). But however this is addressed the title Category:Spouses of national leaders ought to be moved to either "Spouses of heads of state" or "Spouses of heads of government" as nation is ambiguous for example the prime minster of the UK is not a national leader as the state contains more than one nation. Even if there was only one nation calling a Prime Mister "leader" is a strange way to describe them. For example the first minister of Scotland may be leader of the Scottish national party, but does that make him leader of Scotland (probably not as the nation is divided over the issue of independence)? -- PBS (talk) 11:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- did you read the category description of the parent; specifically, that is says this is for heads of state or heads of government. The UK is still considered a sovereign state, and "nation" often fills in for that. if you want to rename the parent category, you can propose it. Cheers, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2013 (UTC)