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Alice Haute, Lady Fogge
Close-up of a sketch of Alice, depicted on the tomb of herself, her husband, and his first wife.
Bornc.1444
Kent, England
Died6/16 August 1512
Kent, England
BuriedAshford, St Mary's church.
Noble family
  • Haute (by birth)
  • Fogge (by marriage)
Spouse(s)John Fogge
Issue
  • Thomas Fogge
  • Anne Fogge
  • Elizabeth Fogge
  • Margaret Fogge
  • Joan Fogge (disputed)
FatherWilliam Haute (MP)
MotherJoan Wydeville

Alice Haute, Lady Fogge (c.1444 – 6/16 August 1512) was an English noblewoman. She was the second wife of Sir John Fogge, and is thought to be the great-grandmother of Catherine Parr the sixth wife of King Henry VIII of England.

Early life and family

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Alice was born on around 1444 in Kent, England as the daughter of William Haute (MP) (1390–1462[1]) of Bishopsbourne, Kent,[2] an English politician,[3][4] and Joan Wydeville, daughter of Richard Wydeville[5][6] (1385–1441) (of Grafton, Northamptonshire and Maidstone, Kent) and his wife Joan Bittlesgate. Her mother was the sister of Richard Woodville, 1st Earl Rivers, making Alice a first cousin to Elizabeth Woodville,[6][7][8] Queen Consort to Edward IV of England.

Her father had already developed a friendship with her maternal grandfather, and having served again for the Shire in 1432 supported Wydeville at his election in 1433. Together they attended the council of spring 1434 at which Gloucester, complaining of the progress of the French war, fell into dissent with John of Lancaster, who could expect Wydeville's loyalty as his chamberlain.[9] Although his overseas service is not well understood, from the earlier 1430s onwards Haute held numerous commissions for array, musters for France, oyer and terminer, escapes from prisons, smuggling, etc.[10] and his continuing commissions for the peace.[11]

Alice had four sisters, and three brothers. They were;[citation needed]

  • William Haute (born c.1432)
  • Anne Haute (born c.1434)
  • Joan Haute (born c.1436)
  • Richard Haute (born c.1438)
  • Edward Haute (born c.1440)
  • Elizabeth Haute (born c.1443)
  • Margaret Haute (born c.1443)
  • James Haute b: (born c.1445)

When her cousin Elizabeth Woodville became queen, the consort brought her favorite female relatives to court. One of them was Alice, who served as a lady in-waiting to the queen during the 1460s.[12][13]

Marriage and issue

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Sketch of the tomb of Alice, her husband, and his first wife Alice Kyriell.

In about 1458, Alice married Sir John Fogge as his second wife. He was an English courtier, soldier and supporter of the Woodvilles under Edward IV. He the son of John Fogge, esquire,[7] the second surviving son of Sir Thomas Fogge (d. 13 July 1407) and Joan de Valence (d. 8 July 1420). Their marriage carried the Haute manor of Ashenfield in Waltham.[14]

The couple had a son and three daughters:

  • Thomas Fogge (d. 16 August 1512), esquire, of Ashford, Great Mongeham, Sutton Farm (in Sutton), Tunford (in Thanington), and Walmer, Kent, Sergeant Porter of Calais to Henry VII and Henry VIII. He married before 9 December 1509 Eleanor Browne, daughter of Robert Browne, esquire, and granddaughter of Sir Thomas Browne. They had two daughters, Alice (wife of Edward Scott and Robert Oxenbridge, Knt.) and Anne (wife of William Scott and Henry Isham). He was buried in the church at Ashford. He left a will dated 4 August 1512, proved 16 October 1512 (P.C.C. 9 Fetiplace).[15][16]
  • Anne Fogge.
  • Elizabeth Fogge.
  • Margaret Fogge, who married her father's ward,[7] Sir Humphrey Stafford (d. 22 September 1545) of Cottered and Rushden, Hertfordshire, by whom she was the mother of three sons and three daughters, including Sir Humphrey Stafford, who married Margaret Tame,[17] daughter of Sir Edmund Tame, and Sir William Stafford, who married Mary Boleyn.[18][19] Stafford was the son of Humphrey Stafford (died 1486).
  • Joan Fogge, who married Sir Thomas Green, and became the maternal grandmother to Catherine Parr the sixth wife of King Henry VIII of England. However, it remains uncertain if Joan was their daughter. Many sources state that Sir Thomas Greene married their daughter Joan, by whom he was the father of Maud Green, mother of Catherine Parr.[20] However Fogge's will, as transcribed by Pearman in 1490, states that her husband John had three daughters, Anne, Elizabeth and Margaret, and makes no mention of any other daughter.[21] The official biographers of Catherine Parr, Susan E. James and Linda Porter, believe that Joan was the granddaughter of Fogge.[22][23] It could be possible that John disowned Joan for unknown reasons, or that she had already died before the will was made, probably after the birth of her younger daughter Maud, who could've been born in 1490.[citation needed]

On the Family Chronicle of Richard Fogge of Danes Court in Tilmanstone, it is mentioned in the Fogge family pedigree that the couple had four daughters, although only three were mentioned by name, so it is possible that the unspecified daughter is Joan.[24]

Death and burial

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Alice Haute died of unknown causes on 6 or 16 August 1512 aged about 68, around the time her presumed great-granddaughter Catherine Parr was born. She was buried with her husband, and his first wife on the North side of the altar between the chancel, and Fogge Chapel at Ashford, St Mary's church. The original ornaments of their tomb have been stripped. However, a sketch of their memorial brasses still remains.[25]

Notes

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  1. ^ Abstract of will of William Haute, Esquire, proved October 1462, in N.H. Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta: being illustrations from wills, of manners, customs, &c. (Nichols & Son, London 1826), I, p. 300. The will identifies him as the father.
  2. ^ E. Hasted, 'Parishes: Bishopsborne', in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, Vol. 9 (W. Bristow, Canterbury 1800), pp. 328–37. (British History Online accessed 14 September 2017).
  3. ^ P.W. Fleming, 'Haute family (per. 1350-1530), gentry', Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004). Online edition (subscription required).
  4. ^ L.S. Woodger, 'Haute, William (d.1462), of Bishopsbourne, Kent', in J.S. Roskell, L. Clark and C. Rawcliffe (eds), The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421 (Boydell & Brewer 1993), History of Parliament online.
  5. ^ Adams 1986, p. 103.
  6. ^ a b Fleming 2004.
  7. ^ a b c Horrox 2004.
  8. ^ Paget, p. 95.
  9. ^ Woodger, 'Haute, William', History of Parliament online.
  10. ^ Cal. Patent Rolls, 1429-1436, pp. 519; 353, 358; 273, 352; 474; 528.
  11. ^ Cal. Patent Rolls, 1429-1436, p. 619.
  12. ^ Barbara J. Harris. “English Aristocratic Women, 1450-1550 : Marriage and Family, Property and Careers: Marriage and Family, Property and Careers,” Oxford University Press, Jul 26, 2002. pg 218.
  13. ^ Harris 2002, p. 218.
  14. ^ E. Hasted, 'Parishes: Waltham', in The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent Vol. 9 (Canterbury 1800), pp. 319-28 (British History Online, accessed 23 September 2017).
  15. ^ Hitchin-Kemp 1902, pp. 24–25.
  16. ^ Smith 1859, pp. 107–08.
  17. ^ Richardson I 2011, pp. 120–21.
  18. ^ Richardson II 2011, pp. 224–25.
  19. ^ Richardson IV 2011, p. 64.
  20. ^ Richardson III 2011, p. 290.
  21. ^ Pearman 1868, pp. 123–33.
  22. ^ Porter 2010, p. 17.
  23. ^ James 2009, p. 14.
  24. ^ Family Chronicle of Richard Fogge of Danes Court in Tilmanstone, p. 124-125.
  25. ^ Rev. A. J. Pearman. “History of Ashford,” H. Igglesden, 1868.

Works cited

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  • Adams, Alison, ed. (1986). The Changing Face of Arthurian Romance. Cambridge: The Boydell Press.
  • Fleming, Peter (2004). "Haute family (per. c.1350–1530)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/52786. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
  • Harris, Barbara J. (2002). English Aristocratic Women, 1450–1550. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
  • Hitchin-Kemp, Frederick (1902). A General History of the Kemp and Kempe Families. London: The Leadenhall Press. Retrieved 24 September 2013.
  • Horrox, Rosemary (2004). "Fogge, Sir John (b. in or before 1417, d. 1490)". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/57617. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
  • Paget, Gerald. The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. Vol. I. p. 95.
  • Richardson, Douglas (2011). Everingham, Kimball G. (ed.). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Vol. I (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 978-1449966379.
  • Richardson, Douglas (2011). Everingham, Kimball G. (ed.). Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Vol. II (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 978-1449966348.
  • Richardson, Douglas (2011). Everingham, Kimball G. (ed.). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Vol. III (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 978-1449966393.
  • Richardson, Douglas (2011). Everingham, Kimball G. (ed.). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Vol. IV (2nd ed.). Salt Lake City. ISBN 978-1460992708.
  • Smith, Herbert L. (1859). "Notes of Brasses, Memorial Windows and Escutcheons Formerly Existing in Ashford and Willesborough Churches". Archaeologia Cantiana. II. London: Kent Archaeological Society: 103–110. Retrieved 24 September 2013.

Sources

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  • Fraser, Antonia (1993). "Catherine Parr". The Wives of Henry VIII. Vintage Publishing.
  • James, Susan (2009). Catherine Parr: Henry VIII's Last Love.
  • Pearman, A.J. (1868). History of Ashford. Ashford: H. Igglesden. p. 123. Retrieved 23 September 2013.
  • Porter, Linda (2010). Katherine, the Queen: The Remarkable Life of Katherine Parr, the Last Wife of Henry VIII.
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