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Expansion

Wow... this article definitely merits some expansion. Wasn't there a fairly recent decision to start the first residence halls on campus recently? Anyone have sources? Also there's no discussion here about the "commuter school" label this campus usually gets - is that notable? -Midnightdreary 00:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, nice job adding the section headers! Looks good. Some of the stuff in history I feel should be parceled out to a location section or something, but not sure what should be moved yet. Residence halls have been in discussion here for years, but we've only started serious talk about them again recently. I'll try to help out and add more sourced info to this page as the summer goes on. I'm an undergrad here, btw. Nam1123 20:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With any luck, the section headers might encourage some expansion on those specific topics. That's some interesting info about the res halls - I'd love to see more in this article, if anyone has the sources! -Midnightdreary 03:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Street address

We don't need the street address of the university's central receiving or admissions office or whatever specific office is at 100 William T. Morrissey Blvd. This is an encyclopedia, not a directory. And we certainly don't need to have false or contradictory information in this article by claiming that an institution on 177 acres has only a single street address. ElKevbo (talk) 14:20, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, ElKevbo the fact that you think that there is some specific office located at 100 William T. Morrissey Boulevard belies your ignorance about the university: 100 William T. Morrissey Boulevard IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE FOR THE ENTIRE CAMPUS, NOT CENTRAL RECEIVING OR THE ADMISSIONS OFFICE. If you'd actually bothered to look at a map of the campus, you would know this and you would also know that none of the campus buildings, offices, or departments have individual street addresses. Jajhill (talk) 03:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So all 177 acres are right there at one street address? How does that work? Are they stacked atop one another like pancakes? Is there a dimensional rift that allows all of the buildings to occupy the same space at the same time? And why would we need a street address in this encyclopedia article in the first place? ElKevbo (talk) 03:17, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, ElKevbo it's 120 acres actually. And again, if you'd actually bothered to look at the map, you would find that the campus is surrounded by streets named University Drives North, South, East, and West and connected to William T. Morrissey Boulevard by Dominic J. Bianculli Boulevard, but the actual street address of the university is 100 William T. Morrissey Boulevard and Wikipedia's template for university infoboxes has a parameter that allows for that information to be displayed. If you have an issue with that, you should create a discussion section about it on the template's talk page rather than revert edits that are allowed under the existing template or heckle and insult other editors who use such parameters. Jajhill (talk) 03:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How about you answer the question that you've avoided several times already: Why would we include a street address in this encyclopedia article? ElKevbo (talk) 03:49, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
ElKevbo, I've not answered that question because it is a red herring: it is irrelevant whether you believe that street addresses should be included in Wikipedia articles on universities or not; the fact of the matter is, it is allowed under the current template. As I already said, if you have an issue with that, create a discussion section about it on the template's talk page rather than heckle and insult other editors who use such parameters. Jajhill (talk) 03:58, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What an intellectually empty answer. It's likely that the parameter is in the template because (a) it has a common lineage with the more generic infobox used for schools where there are more instances of schools occupying only one building and (b) a handful of colleges occupy one building. So that in no way provides justification for using the parameter for a large university that sprawls over many acres.
What is it that is so special about that address that it is essential, defining information about this university? If you want to provide location information, there are other, more accurate and honest ways of doing that e.g., zip code (if the institution has only one zip code or the article is only about the main campus), the lat/long coordinates of the geographic center of campus. ElKevbo (talk) 04:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Forget it. If you want to place misleading, unnecessary information in this article because two people misunderstood an RfC about schools then go ahead. You're free to add whatever unnecessary nonsense you want to this article; I'm removing it from my watchlist. Please be sure to add it to yours and help revert vandalism when it occurs. ElKevbo (talk) 04:17, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many templates have vestigial parameters which are never used. In general we don't give street addresses for subjects of any kind, except in unusual circumstances. EEng 04:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article is completely unreadable

Bluntly, this is one of the worst articles in the English Wikipedia, a mind-numbing slagheap of miscellany piled up under in the apparent belief that no detail is too trivial to stuff down the reader's throat. Let's dip in randomly:

The university administration also had an arrangement with the Copley Square YMCA to provide students access to exercise equipment. Also in 1966, during the university's first Spring Weekend, the American folk music duo Simon & Garfunkel was the headline act. In addition to Simon & Garfunkel, on October 21, 1974 (and by the time the university had moved to the Harbor Campus on Columbia Point), with the Boston busing desegregation underway, musician Stevie Wonder spoke and led students in song at a lounge in the university the day after he performed at the Boston Garden.

So now we know who sang in the lounge, and where students exercised, in 1966. Possibly you're interested in a verbal map of the campus, a kind of Audiobooks-for-the-Blind tour that describes every detail of every nook and cranny of the place, right down to the nicknames of the parking lots and which ones have shuttle service on weekends:

Transportation and parking

UMass Boston is located off Interstate 93 and within one mile of the JFK/UMass MBTA Station on the Red Line and the Old Colony Lines of the Commuter Rail.[216] On weekdays, free shuttles run directly between the JFK/UMass station and the university's Campus Center, and alternative free shuttles (which run all week) follow a secondary route that makes intermediate stops at the Clark Athletic Center, the Massachusetts Archives, the JFK Presidential Library, and the university's Early Learning Center (although the Early Learning Center stop is skipped on weekends).[217] The MBTA Bus Routes 8 and 16, from the Kenmore Square and Forest Hills train stations respectively, end at the university's Campus Center bus circle,[218] and the MBTA program "The Ride" has drop-off locations at the university's Campus Center and the Clark Athletic Center.[219] Parking lots located directly on campus include a garage below the Campus Center and parking lots adjacent to the Science Center (called the "Beacons Lot"), the Clark Athletic Center, and the Calf Pasture Pumping Station Complex ("Lot D"). The university also owns and operates satellite parking lots (one of which is located at the former Bayside Expo Center) that have free shuttle service on weekdays as well.[220]

Campus Center

Construction for the current Campus Center began on July 20, 2001 and was opened on April 2, 2004.[129] The Upper Level of the Campus Center adjoins the bus circle[64] and contains a lobby with an information desk,[221] the campus bookstore,[222][223] the Campus Services Office,[224] the Atrium Café,[225] the Events Services Office,[226] the Undergraduate Admissions Office and Transfer Student Center,[227] the Ross Center for Disability Services,[228] the Testing Services Center,[229] the One Stop Service Center,[230] the Recycling and Sustainability Office,[129][64] and a student game room.[231] The first floor of the Campus Center adjoins the campus plaza[64] and houses the offices of the school’s Academic Support Programs,[232] the University Advising Center,[233] meeting rooms, a lounge, an indoor terrace, the school’s Food Court and Dining Area,[225] the Career Services Office,[234] and the Department of Undergraduate Studies Office.[235] The second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk,[64] and is where the Office of Global Programs,[236] the Honors College and Colloquium Room,[237] the Navitas Program,[238][64] the campus kitchens,[239] the Jumpstart Program,[240] the Office for New Student Programs,[241] the Office of Student Leadership and Community Engagement,[242] the Office of Student Housing,[243] the Office of Urban and Off-Campus Support Services (U-ACCESS),[244][64] the University Dining Club,[225] and Alumni Lounge are all located, along with additional meeting and conference rooms.[64] The third floor contains the offices of the Student Arts and Events Council (SAEC),[245] the Student Resource Centers,[246] the student government offices,[247] the offices of the student media publications,[248][64] the Office of Student Activities and Leadership,[249] and the Campus Center Ballroom along with additional lounges, meeting rooms, and conference rooms.[64] The fourth floor contains the Enrollment Management offices,[64] the Office for Merit-Based Scholarships,[250] the Office of the Registrar,[251] the Office of the Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs,[252] the Veterans Affairs office,[253] Financial Aid Services,[254] the Student Employment office,[255] the Office of the Dean of Students,[256] and the Bursar's Office,[257] along with an additional lounge and meeting room.[64]

University Hall

Construction for the newest general academic building on the UMass Boston campus, University Hall, broke ground on February 27, 2013,[151] and by May 2, 2014, steel construction was completed.[258] On January 25, 2016, a phased opening began,[191] and on October 17, 2016, an official ribbon cutting ceremony was held.[259] The building cost $130 million to construct, was designed by the Boston-based Wilson Architects,[260] and was constructed by the Gilbane Building Company.[261] The building is adjacent to the Campus Center bus circle and is connected to the Campus Center by an enclosed, ground-level walkway.[262] The Beacon Café is located on the building's second floor,[263][264] and the building currently houses the administrative offices of the Performing Arts Department on its second floor,[265] the Chemistry Department on its third floor,[266] and the Art Department on its fourth floor.[267]

Wheatley Hall

One of the original Harbor Campus buildings,[268] Wheatley Hall is named after Revolutionary War-era and first-published African-American female poet Phillis Wheatley (1753–1784) of Boston.[269][270] Its first floor adjoins the campus plaza,[262] and houses the administrative offices of the College of Education and Human Development (CEHD)[271] and the CEHD Office of Student Services.[272] Its second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk,[262] and houses the administrative offices of the College of Advancing and Professional Studies,[273] the College of Liberal Arts,[274] and the College of Science and Mathematics,[275] along with the Center for Innovation and Excellence in eLearning.[276] Its third floor is where the administrative offices of the Biology Department,[277] the Gerontology Institute,[278] the Boston Regional Office of the Massachusetts Small Business Development Center Network,[279][280] the Pension Action Center,[281] the Venture Development Center,[282] the HORIZON Center,[283] and the Child Development Unit[284] are all located. Its fourth floor contains the administrative offices of the Africana Studies Department,[285] the College of Public and Community Service,[286] and the Sociology Department,[287] as well as the Boston Writing Project,[288] the Center for Governance and Sustainability,[289] the Center for Evidence-Based Mentoring,[290] the COSMIC (Center of Science and Mathematics in Context) office,[291] the Department of Conflict Resolution, Human Security, and Global Governance,[292] Hispanic Writers Week,[288] the Institute for Learning and Teaching,[288] the Labor Resource Center,[293] Project ALERTA,[288] and the Talented and Gifted (TAG) Latino Program.[294] Its fifth floor is where the administrative offices of the American Studies Department,[295] the Economics Department,[296] the Philosophy Department,[297] the Political Science Department,[298] and the Women's and Gender Studies Department,[299] as well as the Center on Media and Society[300] are all located. The sixth floor houses the administrative offices of the Applied Linguistics Department,[301] the Communication Department,[302] and the English Department,[303] as well as the Consortium on Gender, Security and Human Rights.[304]

Science Center

The Science Center is another of the original Harbor Campus buildings.[268] Its first floor adjoins the campus plaza,[262] and contains the administrative offices of the Asian Studies Department[305] and the School for the Environment,[306] along with the Coastal Environmental Sensing Networks.[307] Its second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk,[262] and houses the College of Science and Mathematics Student Success Center office[308] and the administrative offices of the College of Nursing and Health Sciences.[309] Its third floor is where the administrative offices of the Computer Science Department,[310] the Engineering Department,[311] the Mathematics Department,[312] and the Physics Department,[313] along with the Center for Clinical Education and Research[314] are all located. Its fourth floor contains the Biology Department greenhouses.[315]

McCormack Hall

Named for the 45th Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives John William McCormack from Massachusetts (1962–1971),[75] McCormack Hall is another of the original Harbor Campus buildings.[268] Its first floor adjoins the campus plaza,[262] and contains the McCormack Express café,[316] the Beacon Fitness Center,[317] the administrative office of the Andrew Fiske Memorial Center for Archaeological Research,[318][319] and the Massachusetts Office of Public Collaboration.[320] Its second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk,[262] and is where the Haitian Studies Association is located.[321] Its third floor is where the administrative offices of the Department of Public Policy and Public Affairs,[322] the Confucius Institute,[323] the Commonwealth Compact,[324] the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute,[325] the Pre-Collegiate Programs office,[326] the Sustainable Solutions Lab,[327] and the Taylor Computer Labs[328] are all located. Its fourth floor houses the administrative offices of the Anthropology Department,[318] the Classics and Religious Studies Department,[329] the History Department,[330] the Latin American and Iberian Studies Department,[331] the Latino Studies Program,[332] the Modern Languages, Literatures, and Cultures Department,[333] the Native American and Indigenous Studies Department,[334] and the Psychology Department.[335] Its fifth floor is where the administrative offices of the College of Management,[336] the Center for Collaborative Leadership,[337] the Center for Sustainable Enterprise and Regional Competitiveness,[338] and the Digital Media Lab[339] are all located.

Healey Library

Another of the original Harbor Campus buildings,[268][75] the Healey Library is named after Joseph P. Healey, former chairman of the University of Massachusetts Board of Trustees (1969–1981).[340] Its Lower Level contains the Instructional Technology Center,[341] the AV Services and Classroom Technology office,[342] and the studios and offices of WUMB Radio.[343][344] Its Upper Level contains the Adaptive Computer Lab[345] and the Green, Gold, Purple, Red, and Macintosh General Use Computer Labs.[328] Its second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk and its entrance is adjacent to a staircase that adjoins the campus plaza,[262] and is where the library's circulation desk and the Healey Library Café are both located,[346] along with a general-use computer lab behind the café.[347] Its third floor contains the College of Management's Bloomberg New Technology Lab,[348] the Information Technology Service Desk,[349] and the Blue and White General Use Computer Labs.[328] Its fourth floor contains an additional computer lab,[328] and is where the library's Curriculum Resource Collection,[350] the Interlibrary Loan Department, Reference Services,[351] Business, Acquisitions, and Technical Services, the Reserves Department, and the Office of the University Librarian[347] are all located. Its fifth floor houses the University Archives and Special Collections[352] and the Graduate Research Center.[353] Its sixth floor is where the Spanish Resource Center and the Center for the Portuguese Language – Instituto Camões are both located.[354] Its eighth floor contains an additional computer lab,[328] and is where the Office for Faculty Development,[355][347] the Math Resource Center,[356] and the Subject Tutoring Program[357] are all located. The tenth floor houses the Center for Peace, Democracy, and Development,[358] the Center for Rebuilding Sustainable Communities after Disasters,[359] the Center for Social Development and Education,[360] the Center for Social Policy,[361] the Center for Survey Research,[362] the Center for Women in Politics and Public Policy,[363] the Edward J. Collins Jr. Center for Public Management,[364] the Institute for Asian American Studies,[365] the Mauricio Gastón Institute for Latino Community Development and Public Policy,[366] the William Joiner Institute for the Study of War and Social Consequences,[367] and the William Monroe Trotter Institute,[347] and its eleventh floor houses the Urban Harbors Institute.[368]

Quinn Administration Building

Named for university co-founder and former Board of Trustees chairman Robert H. Quinn, who also served as Speaker of the Massachusetts House of Representatives (1967–1969) and as Massachusetts Attorney General (1969–1975),[369][75] the Quinn Administration Building is another of the original Harbor Campus buildings.[268] Its Lower Level contains the university mail room[370] and the university's print production center, Quinn Graphics.[371] Its Upper Level contains the Quinn Café,[372] the Environmental Health and Safety Office,[373] and the GoKids Boston Youth Fitness and Training Center.[374] Its first floor adjoins the campus plaza, as well as a catwalk connected to the Integrated Sciences Complex,[262] and houses the Graduate Admissions office,[375] the Office of the Vice Provost for Research and Strategic Initiatives,[376] and the Department of Public Safety.[377] Its second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk,[64] and is where the Office of Institutional Research and Policy Studies,[378] the Office of Research and Sponsored Programs,[379] the Office of Transportation Services,[380] and the University Health Services[381] are all located. Its third floor houses the Controller’s Office,[382] the Division of Government Relations and Public Affairs (which includes the Office of Communications, the Office of Community Partnerships, the Office of Community Relations, and Creative Services),[383] the administrative offices of the John W. McCormack Graduate School of Policy and Global Studies,[384] the Office of Budget and Financial Planning,[385] the Office of the Chancellor,[271] the Office of Diversity and Inclusion,[386] the Office of Human Resources,[387] the Office of the Provost,[388] and the Office of University Events and Ceremonies.[389]

Service and Supplies Building

The last of the original Harbor Campus buildings,[75] the Service and Supplies Building can be accessed through the Quinn Administration Building.[390] The Upper Level houses the main office of the Division of Marine Operations[391] and the Facilities Department.[392]

Integrated Sciences Complex

Construction for the first new academic building on the UMass Boston campus since 1974, the Integrated Sciences Complex (ISC), broke ground on June 8, 2011,[149] and by February 16, 2012, steel construction was completed.[393] The facility officially opened for classes in the Spring 2015 semester,[175] and on April 1, 2015, an official ribbon cutting ceremony was held.[394] The building cost $182 million to construct, was designed by the Boston-based architectural firm Goody Clancy, was constructed by Walsh Brothers, and the construction was managed by the Massachusetts Division of Capital Asset Management. The construction was funded by the UMass Building Authority, Mass Development,[395] and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts through the Higher Education Bond Bill signed by Governor Deval Patrick on August 7, 2008.[396][135] The ISC is connected to the Quinn Administration Building by a catwalk on the ISC's second floor and Quinn's first floor.[262] Its first floor contains the Sandbox Lab,[397] Physics Department laboratories, and the ISC Café.[398] Its second floor contains Biology Department teaching laboratories and School for the Environment offices and laboratories. Its third floor contains Chemistry Department laboratories and additional Biology Department laboratories.[399] Its fourth floor houses the UMass Boston Baby Lab,[400] the Center for Personalized Cancer Therapy,[401] the Human Vision Laboratory,[402] and additional Psychology Department laboratories.[399] Its fifth floor houses the Animal Resources Core Facility,[403] the Lab of Neuroepigenetics and Genomics,[404] the Park Neuroendocrinology Laboratory,[405] and additional Biology and Psychology Department laboratories.[399]

Clark Athletic Center and Monan Park

Construction for the Catherine Forbes Clark Athletic Center broke ground in 1978[406] and was completed in 1979.[75] The first floor of the Clark Athletic Center has an entrance that adjoins the campus plaza and a shuttle stop outside its Lower Level that connects to University Drive North.[262] The building has a strength and conditioning center,[407] and on its Lower Level, a swimming pool,[408] an ice rink and hockey arena,[409] and a gymnasium,[410] and the latter three have open recreation hours on weekdays.[411][412][413] The outdoor softball field is currently the only outdoor facility at the Clark Athletic Center;[414][415] Boston College High School's James Cotter Field is serving as the temporary facility of the university's soccer and lacrosse programs and is the practice facility of the university's track and field programs.[416] Boston College High School's tennis courts also serve as the home of the university's men's and women's tennis programs.[417] Across University Drive West from the Clark Athletic Center,[262] construction for a new baseball field, J. Donald Monan, SJ Park, broke ground on June 11, 2015 and was scheduled to be completed by December 1 of that year. The construction was supported by a $2 million gift from the Yawkey Foundation and was built with the exact dimensions of Fenway Park.[418][419] The facility serves as the joint home of the UMass Boston Beacons and the Boston College High School baseball teams.[420] The Beacons baseball team practiced at Monan Park for the first time on February 1, 2016,[421] and on March 7, 2016, beat the MIT Engineers in the stadium's first-ever game.[422] UMass Boston and Boston College High School held a dedication for the park on May 6, 2016.[423]

Boston HarborWalk and Division of Marine Operations facilities

The Boston HarborWalk follows the Boston Harbor shoreline that surrounds the UMass Boston campus.[262] On the southern shoreline of the campus, across the HarborWalk and in between Wheatley and McCormack Halls, are the Fox Point Landing facilities of the UMass Boston Division of Marine Operations. The facilities include a dock, pavilion, and storage facility. On the northern shoreline of the campus and adjacent to the JFK Presidential Library is the John T. Fallon State Pier, which is also operated by the Division of Marine Operations.[424] On July 17, 2015, an 800-foot segment of the HarborWalk between the JFK Presidential Library and the Harbor Point Apartments on Mount Vernon Street was opened, and features a paved walkway, benches, lighting, gathering spaces, and an artwork display area.[425] Construction for the walkway took place between 2014 and 2015, cost $4 million, and required adding stone along the shoreline to stabilize it. Much of the stone was blocks of granite unearthed by the Big Dig and was donated by the Massachusetts Department of Transportation.[167] From August 29 to August 30, 2016, the UMass Boston segment of the HarborWalk was closed from Morrissey Boulevard to the Massachusetts Archives to install new utility lines near the Fox Point Dock.[426] From December 1 to December 16, 2016, the UMass Boston segment of the HarborWalk closed for pavement repairs and construction of a new boat dock landing platform at Fox Point that is expected to open in the spring of 2017.[427]

Off-site locations

UMass Boston's Institute for New England Native American Studies and Institute for Community Inclusion (UMass Boston's joint program with Boston Children's Hospital that is part of the national Association of University Centers on Disabilities)[428] have their main offices on the fourth floor of the Bayside Office Center at 150 Mount Vernon Street,[429][430] which is adjacent to the former Bayside Expo Center and down the street from the main campus.[262] UMass Boston's Early Learning Center that is accredited by the National Association for the Education of Young Children is located at 2 Harbor Point Boulevard in the Harbor Point Apartments complex adjacent to the campus.[431][262] UMass Boston's Biology Department and School for the Environment also have a field station on Nantucket.

The competition for the most useless string of whatnot among all that is fierce, but tentatively I'll go with this bit under "Quinn Administration Building":

Its Lower Level contains the university mail room[370] and the university's print production center, Quinn Graphics.[371] Its Upper Level contains the Quinn Café,[372] the Environmental Health and Safety Office,[373] and the GoKids Boston Youth Fitness and Training Center.[374] Its first floor adjoins the campus plaza, as well as a catwalk connected to the Integrated Sciences Complex,[262] and houses the Graduate Admissions office,[375] the Office of the Vice Provost for Research and Strategic Initiatives,[376] and the Department of Public Safety.[377] Its second floor adjoins the main campus catwalk.

Certainly anyone wanting to understand UMass Boston will want to know where the mail room and print production center are, and which floors connect by catwalks to which other buildings. For insomniacs, the tireless recitations of the location of every grandly named Institute and Center ("Center for Peace, Democracy, and Development,[358] the Center for Rebuilding Sustainable Communities after Disasters,[359] the Center for Social Development and Education,[360] the Center for Social Policy,[361] the Center for Survey Research,[362] the Center for Women in Politics and Public Policy,[363] the Edward J. Collins Jr. Center for Public Management,[364] the Institute for Asian American Studies,[365] the Mauricio Gastón Institute for Latino Community Development and Public Policy,[366] the William Joiner Institute for the Study of War and Social Consequences" – and don't forget the "Center for Governance and Sustainability,[289] the Center for Evidence-Based Mentoring,[290] the COSMIC (Center of Science and Mathematics in Context) office,[291] the Department of Conflict Resolution, Human Security, and Global Governance") is especially good, as is the minute dissection of administrative substructures ("the Division of Government Relations and Public Affairs, which includes the Office of Communications, the Office of Community Partnerships, the Office of Community Relations, and Creative Services" – because readers really want to know that).

What's missing is any explanation of what any of this is, though I suspect the problem is nobody actually knows. It's great that there's something calling itself COSMIC ("Center of Science and Mathematics in Context"), but what the hell does it do, anyway? I like that there's a College of Science and Mathematics Student Success Center – is there a Student Failure Center too? EEng 09:43, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unless there's some cognizable reason offered as to why I shouldn't, I intend to replace the bloated Campus section with a simple bullet-list of buildings. If someone wants to add a sentence or two to each one, explaining its significance, that would be great -- I lack the knowledge to do that, and the current text doesn't, in general, offer the necessary information. EEng 21:58, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Going once... EEng 03:08, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Going twice... EEng 02:46, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sold! I'll start tomorrow. EEng 06:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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