Talk:Three marks of existence
The Dharma of Dukkha should not be among the Three Seals, and Dukkha should be the ADDITIONAL FOURTH seal instead of tranquility of Nirvana. Therefore, the Three Seals of Dharma are: 1.Anitya (impermanence), 2.Anatman (No-self), and 3.Tranquility of Nirvana. Reference: http://www.buddhistdoor.com/bdoor/0108/sources/seals.htm ; http://www.ibc-rk.org/04Dharma%20talk/Dharma%20talk7/01dharmatalk7.html ; and also the Chinese classic: 智度論二十二曰：「佛法印有三種：一者一切有為法念念生滅皆無常，二者一切法無我，三者寂滅涅槃。（中略）摩訶衍中說諸法不生不滅，一相所謂無相。」 - kumkee 14:40, 01 May 2005 (UTC)
- If there is no objection by the end of May, I whill correct the Three-Seal content. -- kumkee 12:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
- Charles Muller's digital dictionary agrees with you. This convinces me, at the very least, that the version with nirvana is standard in the Sinitic world. I guess there's a chance that other versions might predominate in other languages. The only reason I bring this up is that the version with dukkha seems to enjoy fairly wide credence as standard in English. - Nat Krause 14:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
This could use headers differentiating various interpretive traditions within Buddhism. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽
- Yes- it's possibly a little syncretic; ideas? (20040302 20:49, 9 May 2004 (UTC))
- Unfortunately, a lot of this stuff is out of my field, so I'm not sure how best to tinker. I threw up a division between the main article and a section on various traditions' interpretations; that should help a little bit. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 23:23, May 9, 2004 (UTC)
- looks good as ever, kukku.. (20040302 04:38, 10 May 2004 (UTC))
This page makes no sense at all. The three marks of existence are "1. Dukkha- The reality and universality of suffering. 2. Samudaya- Td control things. 3. Nirodha- Suffering ceases with the final liberation of Nirvana." www.religioustolerance.org/buddhism1.htm
- That is not correct. You are listing the first three of the Four Noble Truths, as the website cited accurately states. - Nat Krause 03:08, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi Good Folks at Wikipedia,
I've seen hundreds of references to the Three Marks of all Conditioned Phenomena. They universally list
Impermanence, Unsatisfactoriness and Not-Self
as the Three Marks of All Conditioned Phenomena.
There is a small confusion as sometimes there are 4 Characteristics listed (including 'Only Nirvana is Peace). These four constitute a different list and refers to the Four Characteristics of all Buddhist Teachings.
Here are some unimpeachable sources
that list the Three Marks as Impermanence, Unsatisfactoriness and Not-self.
General Index of Access to Insight
This link lists the following 3 terms as part of the Three Marks:
Anicca - impermanence Dukkha - suffering or unsatisfactoriness Anatta - not-self)
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From A Concise Encyclopedia of Buddhism by Professor John Powers
page 226
The pate lists the Three Marks as the Sanskrit Trilaksana or the Pali Tilakkhana. Tibetan is mtshan nyid gsum.
Powers lists the three Marks as:
(1) selflessness - Skt. Anatman; (2) impermanence - Skt. Anitya and (3) unsatisfactoriness or suffering - Skt. Dukkha
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Buddhist Studies: Glossary of Buddhist Terms
Buddha Net - an Influential site for Buddhism lists
Anatta Anittya/Anicca Dukkha
Buddha Net lists under each of these three terms that they are part of the Three Marks.
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Buddhist Glossary from Tricycle, an influential Buddhist Magazine
This glossary notes that Vipassana or Insight Meditation yields a meditative and intuitive cognition of the three marks of existence as:
impermanence or anitya, suffering or duhkha, and no-self or
Note also that this text notes that vipassana in the Mahayana is said to lead to an intuitive knowledge of emptiness as well as the three marks and other subjects.
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Thanks for all your work. Wikipedia is a valuable - a Vital - part of the Web.
Van Baldwin
I say yes!
Merge "The Three Signs of Being" into "The Three Marks of Existence."
I need to apologize to the editors of "Being," but I'm afraid that the page is not very well written: choppy and jargon-heavy. And (now, I am not in any sense an expert on Buddhist philosophy, so I may be quite wrong), it doesn't appear to have much content that "Existence" doesn't have: it's just phrased differently and generally less well.
I notice there's been no discussion on the subject for quite some time. I should like it if someone were to just go ahead and do it.
I'd do it myself if I knew enough about the subject to edit with confidence.