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Classicists and Renaissance Classicists

Hi there, can I ask to what extent you regard Classicists and in particular Renaissance and early Modern Classicists as within scope of this project? For example, Petrarch, or perhaps Erasmus? I ask because there can be a need to bring people who know Latin into conversation about these Latinists, but of course, not all Latinists are primarily Classicists, or remembered as such. Jim Killock (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These topics come up in our article alerts (or at least some do), so I would imagine it's fine to include them. I can see no disadvantage to suggesting that any topic touching on classical Greece or Rome can be counted as part of this project; nobody is obliged to work on a particular article just because they're active in a related WikiProject. P Aculeius (talk) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll do this where I notice, then, thank you. Jim Killock (talk) 23:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mother of Lucan

A new article Atilla (mother of Lucan) has been created, but I'm a bit uncertain on her name, some sources seem to refer to her as Acilia or Acilia Lucana instead of Atilla. Does anyone know which is prefered by modern scholard? ★Trekker (talk) 20:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might already have this, but PW has her under "Acilius", No. 59, which reads:

59) Acilia, Tochter von Nr. 48, Mutter des Dichters M. Annaeus Lucanus, vita Lucani bei Suet. ed. Reiff. 76. Bei der Verschwörung des Piso im J. 65 in den Process ihres Sohnes verwickelt. Tac. ann. XV 56. 71.

Which Google Translate renders as:

59) Acilia, daughter of No. 48, mother of the poet M. Annaeus Lucanus, vita Lucani in Suet. ed. Reiff. 76. Involved in the trial of her son during the conspiracy of Piso in 65. Tac. ann. XV 56. 71.

As for Acilius No. 48: "48) Acilius Lucanus, Rhetor uns Sachwalter von Ruf in Corduba, Vater der Acilia (Nr. 59), vita Lucani bei Suet. ed. Reiff. 76.", which translates as "48) Acilius Lucanus, rhetorician and lawyer of repute in Corduba, father of Acilia (No. 59), vita Lucani in Suet. ed. Reiff. 76."

So really just Suetonius and Tacitus, but evidently Suetonius does not give her name. The Loeb edition of Annales on Lacus Curtius gives her name as Acilia on both occurrences; this translation is from 1937.

I also found an inscription that may have a bearing on it. From Corduba, dated to the reigns of Augustus or Tiberius, AE 2005, 827: "Valeriae T(iti) f(iliae) / Lu[ca]ni / d(ecreto) d(ecurionum) // Aciliae L(uci) f(iliae) / P(ubli) Aemili Silonis / d(ecreto) d(ecurionum)". We can only speculate on whether these are relatives of Lucan's, but the fact that these names are found together at Corduba during this period seems to indicate that Acilia is probably the correct reading. I might also cite alternative forms, but I'd give Acilia first, and possibly footnote the others. P Aculeius (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any modern scholarship to call her "Atilla"; she is "Acilia" in e.g. Martindale 1984, "The Politician Lucan", WIlson 1990, "The Death of Lucan", and in Brill's Companion to Lucan. Stephen Dando-Collins, who is cited in the article and does call her Atilla, is neither an academic historian or a classicist by training. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the article now and cleaned up links.★Trekker (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfD for Roman command structure during First Mithridatic War

I saw this when looking about re a rewrite I've been planning for some time on the First Mithridatic War.

I've nominated Roman command structure during First Mithridatic War at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman command structure during First Mithridatic War. It's far too specific a topic and reliant on original research. Some portions could probably be merged (evidently back into) First Mithridatic War. Also note that there was a previous discussion here in 2022. Ifly6 (talk) 05:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Battle of Thermopylae

Battle of Thermopylae has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New scans of Magistrates of the Roman Republic

I spent some time over the holidays getting, scanning, and processing the scans for MRR 1 and 2. It's my impression that both are in the public domain: they were published between 1930 and 1963 and to my knowledge there was no copyright renewal. See Cornell public domain table. Google and HathiTrust evidently thinks MRR 1 is PD at least, since they digitised and host (respectively) scans thereof with that tag.

Although there have been previous scans online, I can't say I'm at all happy with the OCR quality from some of those scans (especially with Greek letters) or the particular quality of them (duplicate or sometimes unreadable pages); others also have large portions missing, eg the preface and chronological note, or are wildly oversized relative to the state-of-the-art.

Anyway, I think it's worth while at least to put up a notice given how MRR remains widely consulted in the field. You can find the scan PDFs on my GitHub: https://github.com/ifly6/broughton-mrr/releases/tag/mrr20250111. If you find any errors please tell me. I also have and scanned MRR 3 but because that is still in copyright it is impermissible to distribute; nor is it clear to me, because of Broughton's death, who even holds that copyright. Ifly6 (talk) 05:48, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]